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Old 03-12-2010, 12:31 PM   #11
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I hear what you're saying. I made many mistakes as well, and doing heavy benches twice a week was one of them. I also didn't deadlift, primarily because very few bodybuilding routines in Muscle and Fiction during the 80's used deadlifts - or even talk about them for that matter.

My back thickness has improved dramatically since I've started using deadlifts, and I regret not using them from day one.

Regarding the deadlift, I know this to be true...if I mention that deadlift works the back, I will get bombarded with confused posters who think that deadlifts are simply a glorified leg press, and only work the legs.
I was the same way, but maybe worse. All I ever wanted were big arms..I wanted those Everest like biceps over anything else. So I neglected chest...and back...and legs even to an extent. It was quite a shock when I did start working chest, and realized how little I could press even with crap form.

As for deadlifting...I have a friend who is convinced it's a bad, very bad idea to deadlift anything. He says never bend at the waist. I try to explain what a proper deadlift does, and he just shrugs it off.. Another reason why I want to get to a gym, is so I can deadlift..My focus on my next bulk is mostly chest and back.
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Old 03-12-2010, 04:19 PM   #12
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We all know the guy in the gym, strutting around with an average physique, constantly rotating their workout from MMA-fighter-style, to power, to sculpting and for all their effort, they go nowhere, achieve nothing.They never have and never will, and yet they tell everyone in the gym how to lift, how they should train for particular goals, how to get ripped, how to do this, how to do that…and the list goes on.

Watch them train. They use too much weight, moving moderate loads about an inch at the top of the movement, building neither size nor strength. They befriend the gym goers who excel in their training, never plateau and achieve levels of performance and fat loss that seems miraculous, as if proximity imparts exceptionalism, while they can barely reach even modest goals.

Worst of all—and what pisses me off—is given the chance to spot someone exceptional, they scream commands to impress the newbies, to establish themselves as the source of talent, dedication and know-how that went into somebody else’s achievement. When this happened to me, when I set up for an easy 355 on the bench, when I had to yell at the guy to get his hands off the bar in the middle of a rep, when I had to listen to him screaming meaningless commands, I felt like throwing him out a window. In retrospect, maybe I should have.

Don’t be one of these guys. If you’ve never been there—and “there” might be a 400 lb bench, a 600 lb squat, 7% body fat, a sub-4-hour marathon—don’t tell others how to get to a place you’ve never even seen. Don’t tell a 215 lb guy who just squatted 930 lbs that his form sucked and he got lucky to sneak one past the judges. Don’t tell someone their biceps could use a nicer peak when yours don’t even exist. Watch, listen, learn: until you’ve been there, this is all you should be doing.

Ask questions, do some research and experiment. Successful people are successful for a reason: they don’t need your opinion; they need facts; they need experience. And contrary to popular belief, not all opinions stand on equal footing. There are ignorant people and their opinions count for dirt.

When you can out bench me, out squat me and out run me while staying leaner, tighter and eating cleaner, then you can give me your opinion. Until that happens, shut the hell up and pay your dues.
Roger that. Its like Jesus himself wrote that up.
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Old 03-12-2010, 04:43 PM   #13
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Thanks to training with stronger guys then me, such as EHUBBS, I learned a lot and didn't have to make the same mistakes everyone else did. Maybe one day I will completely listen to ehubbs golden advice on over training and never taking an odd number for a squat attempt one day too.
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thanks to training with stronger guys then me, such as ehubbs, i learned a lot and didn't have to make the same mistakes everyone else did. Maybe one day i will completely listen to ehubbs golden advice on over training and never taking an odd number for a squat attempt one day too.
who the hell squats 495 at a meet!!!?!?!?!??!?!?
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who the hell squats 495 at a meet!!!?!?!?!??!?!?
Someone who has never squatted more then 475 months and months ago, and 6 weeks into the meet who bombed at 480lbs not once but twice?
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As for deadlifting...I have a friend who is convinced it's a bad, very bad idea to deadlift anything. He says never bend at the waist. I try to explain what a proper deadlift does, and he just shrugs it off.. Another reason why I want to get to a gym, is so I can deadlift..My focus on my next bulk is mostly chest and back.
The way I look at it, the body was built to deadlift. We bend forward for a reason Everything angles that way.
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This was an awesome quote, I wish everyone that joins a gym would have to read this and understand before they were allowed in the weight room. I love training with stronger people, but at my school I am near the top, which sucks. I see kids use horrible form all the time and then instruct one of their bodies how to complete a rep with bad form.

When I am squatting, I get comments all the time such as wow you go really deep, I can not go that deep. I just laugh it off, because most times I am only training to parallel. If they only knew what an ATG squat was.
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When I am squatting, I get comments all the time such as wow you go really deep, I can not go that deep. I just laugh it off, because most times I am only training to parallel. If they only knew what an ATG squat was.
I get the same comments on the squats in my videos. But I feel I'm high. I am always borderline parallel.

I guess I've been training in the dungeon too long without the Internet. I never realized so many people did half squats.
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I get the same comments on the squats in my videos. But I feel I'm high. I am always borderline parallel.

I guess I've been training in the dungeon too long without the Internet. I never realized so many people did half squats.
Half Squats are an epidemic at commercial gyms
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I hate seeing that!!!

I see a guy I call Captain Big Weights do what might almost qualify as 1/4 squats. TERRIBLE!
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