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Old 03-02-2010, 11:11 AM   #21
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Eat before your workout vs. workout fasted

For me- I workout fasted. I find that with a belly full of food I feel sluggish and pulled down, BUT people continue to tell me that I need to eat a soild carb/protein meal before lifting.

IMO- if you are making gains and seeing results either way- why would it be wrong to workout fasted?
I definately don't like the 'fasted' fasted idea of working out...as in first thing on a totally empty stomach or something. However, I am with you on the feeling groggy if you've eaten too recently. At LEAST an hour before lifting for me. I don't want to feel hungry. But I don't want my stomach full either. So I guess I'm half and half on this one.

One thing I find though: Carbs pre workout or not.... No diff in energy. When I'm low carb and don't do carbs before the workout I don't suffer energy any more than with carbs. That's not to say I don't sometimes suffer energy. But it seems more related to how much sleep I got the night before, how burned out I am on the week, DOMS, etc., vs. whether I had carbs before the workout or not.
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I've never done full body (for a reason) so I can only speak theoretically on this.

My thoughts lead toward split=better (obviously...or I'd have done full body before).

My reasons are threefold. 1. fatigue 2. fatigue 3. fatigue

1. Psychological fatigue
This may be my biggest argument against it. In fact, I have enough to say on the psychology of working out that I may very well start an independent thread on it at some point. Full body seems psychologically more difficult to me.

2. Physical fatigue per session
By the time you're working your last muscles on a full body, you've got to be tired enough that you won't be getting as good a workout as on your first muscles. As much as you could theoretically change up the order each workout to compensate, why not get the best workout for every muscle every time?

3. Physical fatique overall (burnout/overtraining)
That much time into a single workout and that much constant soreness and that much overall body stress.... Seems more likely to induce problems (refer back to #s 1 and 2)

Like I said, I have no direct experience with it (next month I'll be doing full body workouts for a month) but the above is my reasoning for why I haven't ever done full body.

Thoughts?
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Old 03-02-2010, 12:42 PM   #23
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I would recommend looking at Casey Butt's works on natural training. He is one of the few voices I trust in the natural realm.

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Splits can be ok. But for most naturals they're not optimal. With that said, hard/smart work and progression are the biggest determining factor in training success.

I've used splits, but my best growth was training each bodypart twice a week.

The once a week approach works better for steroid users for numerous reasons. Steroids work better under a volume of intense contractions, and since steroid users pay no catabolic price for ramming out volume, they benefit from splitting and working more sets into each week.

Again, this does not mean that splits will not work for naturals, but naturals do have a completely different set of rules and need to be aware of them. Splits are just not optimal for most naturals.

My splits are generally an A/B variation...alternating between pushing-pressing movements and back and posterior chain movements. But I'm at my max natural potential, so I have a completely different set of rules. Being in maintenance mode, I can pretty much do whatever I want within reason.
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I would recommend looking at Casey Butt's works on natural training. He is one of the few voices I trust in the natural realm.

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Splits can be ok. But for most naturals they're not optimal. With that said, hard/smart work and progression are the biggest determining factor in training success.

I've used splits, but my best growth was training each bodypart twice a week.

The once a week approach works better for steroid users for numerous reasons. Steroids work better under a volume of intense contractions, and since steroid users pay no catabolic price for ramming out volume, they benefit from splitting and working more sets into each week.

Again, this does not mean that splits will not work for naturals, but naturals do have a completely different set of rules and need to be aware of them. Splits are just not optimal for most naturals.

My splits are generally an A/B variation...alternating between pushing-pressing movements and back and posterior chain movements. But I'm at my max natural potential, so I have a completely different set of rules. Being in maintenance mode, I can pretty much do whatever I want within reason.
This is very interesting and just the sort of responses, etc., I'm hoping for.

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I've never done full body (for a reason) so I can only speak theoretically on this.

My thoughts lead toward split=better (obviously...or I'd have done full body before).

My reasons are threefold. 1. fatigue 2. fatigue 3. fatigue

1. Psychological fatigue
This may be my biggest argument against it. In fact, I have enough to say on the psychology of working out that I may very well start an independent thread on it at some point. Full body seems psychologically more difficult to me.

2. Physical fatigue per session
By the time you're working your last muscles on a full body, you've got to be tired enough that you won't be getting as good a workout as on your first muscles. As much as you could theoretically change up the order each workout to compensate, why not get the best workout for every muscle every time?

3. Physical fatique overall (burnout/overtraining)
That much time into a single workout and that much constant soreness and that much overall body stress.... Seems more likely to induce problems (refer back to #s 1 and 2)

Like I said, I have no direct experience with it (next month I'll be doing full body workouts for a month) but the above is my reasoning for why I haven't ever done full body.

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I agree with the full body being exausting. I try to concentrate on one body part each training session and it still takes me about an hr to get everything I feel like doing in. Some days I leave there wishing I did more even! Full body- deffinatly not for me!
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I agree with the full body being exausting. I try to concentrate on one body part each training session and it still takes me about an hr to get everything I feel like doing in. Some days I leave there wishing I did more even! Full body- deffinatly not for me!
That's one of the biggest stumbling blocks with fullbody routines is that they are like trying to drive a stick-shift. As Casey Butt has mentioned, someone is better off starting slow and building into them, then gunning with a fullbody out of the gate.
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That's one of the biggest stumbling blocks with fullbody routines is that they are like trying to drive a stick-shift. As Casey Butt has mentioned, someone is better off starting slow and building into them, then gunning with a fullbody out of the gate.
makes sense... I think if one did proper planning they could utilize there time wisely and get a full body workout in. With out spending 4hours at the gym.
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