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Old 02-18-2010, 12:23 PM   #21
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Old 02-19-2010, 11:02 PM   #22
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As long as we are on this topic I have one question, should someone keep his elbows close to his side or away like the pictures somebody posted? And looks like I won't do parallel anymore, probably try with somebody said bar below the knees.
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Old 02-19-2010, 11:41 PM   #23
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In my opinion, any time you are using your legs or lower back to start the weight in motion, then you aren't really doing as much weight as you've calculated is on the bar. This IMO again is ego lifting. I say if you are a PL'er do what's necessary to make you grunt and scream, but if you are a bodybuilder, then do it right dammit
Im not going against my hombre rick,and I might be throwing myself out in the flame a little, but I'm going to slightly disagree.

Point being:
-True. If your cheating it excessively then your not lifting as much weight as you really say you are.
-BUT, For the sake of bodybuilding I think that once you get to a certain experience level you HAVE to cheat a little on the heaviest sets. Someone can have perfect form/use steady movements and eventually peak out. But when you load weight on and give it that extra 'nudge you can really recruit more muscle fibers, and bring yourself to an intensity level that was not possible with said 'perfect' form. And from you 'feeling out' the heavier weight with a slight cheat, you really give the next 'perfect' form sets a chance to feel lighter than before.
Thats my little take on things
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No problem with disagreeing Kris! I respect your opinion but I say Deadlifts, cable rows, and pullups or lat pull downs take care of the most of what I might miss by using perfect form on this movement. But I understand what you are saying and I believe there are some that exaggerate those "nudges" and you know what I mean there. But a slight nudge imo is okay especially on your heaviest set. But I think it would be good to get the majority of your reps with great form.

I don't know if you caught that video on the chaos and pain site, but those were flippin' terrible bent over rows! Even Jesus was blushing.
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No problem with disagreeing Kris! I respect your opinion but I say Deadlifts, cable rows, and pullups or lat pull downs take care of the most of what I might miss by using perfect form on this movement. But I understand what you are saying and I believe there are some that exaggerate those "nudges" and you know what I mean there. But a slight nudge imo is okay especially on your heaviest set. But I think it would be good to get the majority of your reps with great form.

I don't know if you caught that video on the chaos and pain site, but those were flippin' terrible bent over rows! Even Jesus was blushing.
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yes kman, that's what I was referring to. And I don't believe everything I read or see. Bodybuilding has so much crap to sift through! And those ROWS in the video are f*ing stupid!
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oh wow, that was terrible.



rick, well you know what i mean. i cant shed light on the difference between good nudges and super cheating via internet forum. lets hope people take my advice intelligently
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i actually agree with both of you. i like to go with strict good movement to get my work sets in like rick is sayin but i also like to load sometimes as a final set and i'll cheat a little to try to further my goals like OTK is sayin. i feel it works. now i too am not talkin about the kind of cheatin like in the vid but i get what OTK is sayin.
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What form should I use in this?How far do i bend over eg 45 degrees,should I use leg drive,etc.

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What are your goals for using this exercise? You form, grip, speed of bar, are all pending factors.

If you want to get stronger I would say lift fast and contract at the top, flat back until you can't then use 45% when you can no longer pull that way.

If you want your back to grow I would use a stricter form, contracting for 3 seconds on the top and 3 seconds on the decent.

If you want to define your back, vary grips, and techniques etc.

But depending on your goals the advice pends and varies as well.
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