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Old 01-20-2010, 08:55 PM   #21
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Many would call 3x10 "high rep" and would call 10x3 "low rep" but they are both 30 rep programs.

I think the low rep/high rep confusion comes from a misunderstanding of the "total work done" concept. Keep progressing on a "total work done" scale and you'll make gains, no matter how many reps per set you use.

The reason why some "high reppers" see gains is they do more total work than the "low reppers" who have an almost too minimal program and progress too slowly.

Likewise ,the reason why some "low reppers" see gains is they do more total work than the "high reppers" who may do high rep sets, but quit before they really push themselves. In the end, some "low reppers" are doing more reps than the "high reppers" because they do more sets, and/or more workouts, per week!
This was a great post here, everyone should read this twice to realize that it is not always the rep scheme but how much work is done and how hard you push yourself to progress.

I have done a powerlifting routine for about 6 months now with sets in the 1-5 range and have still seen an increase in size.
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Old 01-20-2010, 08:59 PM   #22
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This was a great post here, everyone should read this twice to realize that it is not always the rep scheme but how much work is done and how hard you push yourself to progress.

I have done a powerlifting routine for about 6 months now with sets in the 1-5 range and have still seen an increase in size.
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to be completely honest i never saw the size and strength gains i see now that i have incorporated low rep compound movements into my everyday routines. i was always ripped but i was a hard gainer and i would do high reps till i was cryin with no results in size and strength would plateau easily. i will never go back to that.
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to be completely honest i never saw the size and strength gains i see now that i have incorporated low rep compound movements into my everyday routines. i was always ripped but i was a hard gainer and i would do high reps till i was cryin with no results in size and strength would plateau easily. i will never go back to that.
I just watched a video of a natty acquaintance of mine, Vic Costa. He does primarily isolation exercises, with slow, controlled movements - and the guy looks freaking amazing.

I, for the life of me, can't understand how he gained on that program. I'm not putting down his training style, but there is no way I could gain using it. I wonder he he trained like that when he was young.

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Dude looks pretty good overall. I'll need to watch more of his stuff to get a better idea of his approach.
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Dude looks pretty good overall. I'll need to watch more of his stuff to get a better idea of his approach.
I watched his entire DVD. I think the only barbell exercise I saw him do was the bench press.
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I will say this, "Strength training doesn't build muscle," as well as bodybuilding training will, in the sense of visual muscle size. As far as fast twitch fibers are concerned, Strength training will build them at an increased rate, hands down.

If you consider muscle just the visible layer of flesh and meat on the bone, then this statement could be believed as true, but if you strive for creating thousands of little fast twitch fibers withing "swole" and "yoked" muscles then strength training can't be beat.

It really just goes by whose side you take on in the on going war between "show muscles" and "Strength muscles".

What I will also say too, is typical strength training is 1-3 reps, but if you go from 5-7 which you can still get stronger using, you can make some size gains. Sometimes you need to change your routine and rep scheme to shock the muscle. Point is muscles without "performance enhancers" will eventually reach there peak size and limit, but those those inner fibers with in will keep on chugging along. Point blank, strength training will build high quality muscle and in time make your bigger, but its priority is strength, why anyone would want to look very strong but be really weak is beyond me tho.
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What I will also say too, is typical strength training is 1-3 reps, but if you go from 5-7 which you can still get stronger using, you can make some size gains.
I think people should quit worrying about the reps per set, and pay more attention to total volume. I had a guy message me the other day over at bb.com wanting to know if it would be better to change to 3x8 on my beginner routine, i told him flat out all it will do is be a few extra reps with a lower percentage of his 1rm, nothing magical would happen though. People get so caught up in how many reps they are doing, but there is nothing magical about 5reps versus 10, you should be worrying about your total volume in relation to the intensity (I define intensity as % of 1rm not a perceived amount of effort).
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I think people should quit worrying about the reps per set, and pay more attention to total volume. I had a guy message me the other day over at bb.com wanting to know if it would be better to change to 3x8 on my beginner routine, i told him flat out all it will do is be a few extra reps with a lower percentage of his 1rm, nothing magical would happen though. People get so caught up in how many reps they are doing, but there is nothing magical about 5reps versus 10, you should be worrying about your total volume in relation to the intensity (I define intensity as % of 1rm not a perceived amount of effort).
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