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Old 05-19-2014, 10:40 AM   #1
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I hear so much about "keep one rep in the tank" and I'm wondering if this is the preferred method vs "getting the most out of each set". Meaning, when trying to increase strength and/or hypertrophy, wouldn't it be better to stop a set when you get the last rep up short of failure, rather than leaving a rep in the tank? I understand there's not one universal answer and that sometimes in training cycles it's beneficial to leave a rep in the tanks and other times push as hard as one can on each set. But what's your general advice? I have a real hard time, psychologically, leaving a rep in the tank during most sessions. Over time, is that a hindrance? Hoping for some discussion and personal experience anecdotes if possible. Thx!
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Old 05-19-2014, 12:14 PM   #2
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My understanding is that when you dont push yourself that close to failure and you stop short, it leaves more time for progress rather than a deload. Ive seen a couple strong people being coached this way. Particularly in the off season when you can be looser in your plan than when peaking.
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A general rule: the deeper into a set you do, the more muscle fibers you recruit.

Failure is exercise specific. Some exercises you don't pay a price by training to failure. Others you should never train to failure. This can also be exercise specific. General statements about failure don't really work.

My rule is: push for as many reps as possible, stopping each set when you:

1) Feel like you might fail on the next rep.
2) Feel form is breaking down.

If you feel an exercise can be pushed to failure without increasing risk of injury, then it's ok.
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I personally, have made good gains on the "Push and Puke Principle" But it seems to be a feel thing.... somedays it's balls to the wall and other days it stops a bit short..... Like alll things lift related, it is about feel.
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A general rule: the deeper into a set you do, the more muscle fibers you recruit.

Failure is exercise specific. Some exercises you don't pay a price by training to failure. Others you should never train to failure. This can also be exercise specific. General statements about failure don't really work.

My rule is: push for as many reps as possible, stopping each set when you:

1) Feel like you might fail on the next rep.
2) Feel form is breaking down.

If you feel an exercise can be pushed to failure without increasing risk of injury, then it's ok.
Agreed. If my form is going to sh*t on the squat or deadlift especially, set over. I don't need a jacked up back. Usually on accessory exercises I can and will use a little body English to eke out a few more reps at the expense of form.
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I agree, there are times when you just have to grind out a rep. but overall, quality of performance is more important than putting yourself at risk of getting hurt.
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My rule is: push for as many reps as possible, stopping each set when you:

1) Feel like you might fail on the next rep.
2) Feel form is breaking down.

If you feel an exercise can be pushed to failure without increasing risk of injury, then it's ok.
This is my rule as well. I do not go to failure. One reason is psychological for me..... can't stand missing reps or attempts.
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