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Old 01-02-2010, 09:06 PM   #11
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and thats just the record, not who you would compete against
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the funny thing is theres plenty of kids stronger than this, they just dont go to PL meets. Thats why i'd want a 400+ deadlift, 350 sqaut, and a 250 bench, total= 1000. these at least sound pretty good amongst (spelled wrong) strong football players.
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The various lifts will stall differently. Bench first followed by squat, then deads. Very nice numbers by the way. Get your butt into a competition ASAP. The more experience you cultivate at this age, the better off you'll be when your old and wizzled like me.
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The various lifts will stall differently. Bench first followed by squat, then deads. Very nice numbers by the way. Get your butt into a competition ASAP. The more experience you cultivate at this age, the better off you'll be when your old and wizzled like me.
haha will do, just got to find a comp and someone to do it with me.

helpful post.


bench is the one giving me problems right now. its very hard to keep going up by 5. i switched from 3x5 to a 5x5(where sets are ramped up to a heavy weight(pic in log of excel chart)).

im thinking though of maybe doing 5/3/1 for bench now instead.

squats now very hard to add 10 lbs, so ill have to cut down to adding 5 lbs a week.
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no i should though.
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ok, i think i have no fucking clue what liner progression is.

i thought it was just adding 5 lbs to the bar every workout.....
Yes, you're right. I was talking about 16 week periodization approaches, and not linear progression. I'm a bit tired tonight, so I apologize.

Stalls happen, but very few people top out using linear progression. Sometimes a stall comes from faulty program design, like doing pussy tricep work (excuse the expression) instead of heavy tricep work, or focusing on laterals for shoulders instead of beefy shoulder movements.

When stalls come hardcore from LP, it's time to try new approaches to the same beast - if you want to stick with LP, that is.

There are a billion ways to approach LP. Look at how simple the Hepburn method is.

Some stalls are good for the body. Maybe tendons and ligaments need some time to strengthen before weight can be added. Sometimes strength comes with age. I got insanely strong on the bench at the age of 30 from doing nothing but being older.

My whole point in this is that LP is different for everyone, and can be ridden for a very long time. That doesn't mean we can't switch to Wendlers, Westside, whatever. Play around is good.

For me - (me, and maybe not for you) - LP has always been the best. Honestly, I've not stalled yet using LP if I keep at it. All of my stalls have come from getting away from LP and playing around too much with new routines. Again, some playing is good...but too much tinkering is a surefire way to 'eff up progression.

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Yes, you're right. I was talking about 16 week periodization approaches, and not linear progression. I'm a bit tired tonight, so I apologize.

Stalls happen, but very few people top out using linear progression. Sometimes a stall comes from faulty program design, like doing pussy tricep work (excuse the expression) instead of heavy tricep work, or focusing on laterals for shoulders instead of beefy shoulder movements.

When stalls come hardcore from LP, it's time to try new approaches to the same beast - if you want to stick with LP, that is.

There are a billion ways to approach LP. Look at how simple the Hepburn method is.

Some stalls are good for the body. Maybe tendons and ligaments need some time to strengthen before weight can be added. Sometimes strength comes with age. I got insanely strong on the bench at the age of 30 from doing nothing but being older.

My whole point in this is that LP is different for everyone, and can be ridden for a very long time. That doesn't mean we can't switch to Wendlers, Westside, whatever. Play around is good.

For me - (me, and maybe not for you) - LP has always been the best. Honestly, I've not stalled yet using LP if I keep at it. All of my stalls have come from getting away from LP and playing around too much with new routines. Again, some playing is good...but too much tinkering is a surefire way to 'eff up progression.

Pick a horse and ride it for 4-6 months.
alright man.

thanks alot makes sense. ill try to ride this out. i think after a while im just going to get bored and switch to 5/3/1 and similar things just to do some low rep stuff.
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the funny thing is theres plenty of kids stronger than this, they just dont go to PL meets. Thats why i'd want a 400+ deadlift, 350 sqaut, and a 250 bench, total= 1000. these at least sound pretty good amongst (spelled wrong) strong football players.
but to be fair these guys are typically older than you, and what school did you go to lol, my high school if i remember correctly, had (when i was a sophmore) these as the highest numbers

Squat- 405
Deadlift- didn't use it (the S&C coach was a total pussy)
Bench- 300
Power clean- 300
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but to be fair these guys are typically older than you, and what school did you go to lol, my high school if i remember correctly, had (when i was a sophmore) these as the highest numbers

Squat- 405
Deadlift- didn't use it (the S&C coach was a total pussy)
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Power clean- 300
one 180-200lb kid deadlifted 505 recently. squats around500 (idk exactly)

pretty many kids bench around 300 i think
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