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Old 12-12-2013, 12:58 PM   #11
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I think, if you re-read the part of your post quoted above, you'll realise that sleep is only part of the recovery process.

If it takes 48 hours to recover from any workout, that would mean 6 days of sleep at 8 hours a night would be required for the recovery of that one workout and as such nobody would ever be able to do 2 sessions a week and certainly not 4 or more; additionally, the body is recovering from normal daily activities, work, leisure, cell repair, fighting off colds etc.
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Sleep occurs in cycles of 1.5 hours, through varying depths and REM and such, being woken halfway through a cycle will leave a person groggy for a short time. The body repairs whilst asleep and 7-8 hours is only an average, many get by on a lot less sleep, others need more, others still wish they could get more but have to make do due to commitments, young babies and so forth.
It seems maybe I could do with another cycle then.
I feel fairly tired now, just slept for 4 mins about half an hour ago.
Another 1.5 hours would do it I think.


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For an in-depth look at how sleep works, you'd have to find a few internet articles or get a good book that covers in at least in part, because it's one of those things that can't really be covered in enough detail here, many don't know the ins and outs of the exact sleep cycles, the timings vary dependant on age etc.
Yep, I'll have a look

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As long as you feel rested at least 75% of the week, you should be fine, nobody generally ever gets 100% great sleep throughout a week and many train and recuperate through less recovery time available (in terms of pure sleep, which is only one aspect of recovery).
Well thats good news.
Thanks for such a detailed post babs, helped allot.
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Old 12-12-2013, 01:01 PM   #12
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Any time you hear people put exact numbers on things it's just a general guideline. How do you feel? Do you feel well rested? If you feel like you need more sleep, try to get it. If you feel well rested then you're fine.

6 hours at night and a good nap during the day should be just fine.
I feel tired, but not really tired. I think that 1.5 hour cycle babs was talking about would do it.

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The biggest issue with sleep is to get through at least 1 whole sleep cycle. If your nap is a quick cat nap then you probably didn't get through an entire cycle and your body isn't getting very much out of it.

I can always tell where I am in my sleep cycle when my alarm goes off by how I feel. If I turn off the alarm, get up and go about my business then I wasn't in a deep sleep. But if I wake up disoriented and don't want to move I know that I was in deep sleep.

By the way, most people think that when we dream during REM sleep we are in a deep sleep cycle. Not true. REM sleep is actually a lighter sleep.

Try to get 8 hours in for every 24. More is not necessarily better, and less is not necessarily worse. Just go by how you feel.
Thats reassuring, thanks.
I'll do my best to get this cycle in tonight then.

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LG, read up on "Delta-Wave Sleep" and "polyphasic sleep", it will help you understand why total time slept is not an indicator of how efficient your sleep is
I'll check it out.

Good to know this all isn't as bad as I thought.

Thanks man.
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Don't sweat the small stuff, Linden.

You'll know all about it if you're truly not sleeping enough. Don't worry about numbers and theories. Really.

But if that is seriously the case (not enough sleep to get by, that is), then sure, maybe look into some options. See a doctor, even.
Yeah I know, its good hearing it from you guys, puts my mind at rest.

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So I'm going to try and get a cycle in.

Have any of you got any ideas on how to make yourself go to sleep?

I'm going to try some guided meditation I think, is there anything else you guys do?

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So I'm going to try and get a cycle in.

Have any of you got any ideas on how to make yourself go to sleep?

I'm going to try some guided meditation I think, is there anything else you guys do?

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First, stop stressing, a little stress will keep you awake.

Don't use the bedroom for anything other than sleep (and ahem, you know), leave your other problems at the bedroom door.

Make sure the curtains, blinds etc don't let in any light.

If the slightest noise wakes you up, consider wearing ear plugs.
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I'm glad this came up. I wanted to start a sleep discussion.
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Good points.


With this cycle I'm trying to get in, do you think it'd be abetter idea to do it this way:


I often go to bed at 2:00AM on a non-college day, waking up at 10:00AM the next morning giving me 8 hours sleep.

Could I say go to bed at 12:30 Tonight, meaning I'd still wake up at 10 in the morning having gained my 8 hours for this night, but also the 1 and a half hours I needed today.
Total 9.5 hours sleep.
Seem petty I know, but would that work?

I Just can't get to sleep now for some reason, and I have food to eat, things to do etc; before bed.
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Want to hear something ironic? I wrote quite a long post covering REM and NREM, sleep staircase, stages 1-4, Jim Horne and Ian Oswald's theories and so on (I teach a course on all this stuff). Somewhere along the way, I nodded off. When I woke up, Windows update had restarted the computer and it was all gone.
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Want to hear something ironic? I wrote quite a long post covering REM and NREM, sleep staircase, stages 1-4, Jim Horne and Ian Oswald's theories and so on (I teach a course on all this stuff). Somewhere along the way, I nodded off. When I woke up, Windows update had restarted the computer and it was all gone.

Ahh well that sucks.

Happened to me many a time with my music projects. I'd have thrown my Mac through the window by now if it didn't weigh 80KG


Any nuggets of info you could share on my situation?
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