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Old 12-21-2009, 09:19 AM   #1
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It is often mentioned that a new lifter must have patience and stick with a program. I want to ask everyone some specifics...just what does having patience mean to you, and how long should a new lifter stick with a basic routine?
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Old 12-21-2009, 09:29 AM   #2
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Well, when a program fits me mentally, i have no problem being patient. Patient to me is sticking with it at least 4-6 months. Minor tweaks are okay, but don't change it up too much until you know you've gave it a legitimate "go". I guess that 2 answers/opinions rolled into one
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I also want to say...although this mainly applies to noobs, I've seen a seasoned lifter flip flop more than some noobs.
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I also want to say...although this mainly applies to noobs, I've seen a seasoned lifter flip flop more than some noobs.
I am guilty of this, a lot of times I just get bored. Bad idea as I'm usually always making gains then switch things up. I'm set now though.
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Always stick with the basics as much as possible. They should remain the core of your program.

When you see an issue of not continuing to make gains, then you need to analyze what is happening. You may be stalled for a number of reasons.

You could be tired and need a few days rest, maybe even a week.

You may need to deprioratize the core lift and work on the synergist muscles, and bring them up to strength some more.

You may just need to drop your weight back, and do one of two things. Alter your rep range from your current scheme, or just take another run at the weight you find your self stuck at. The deload may be just enough to let you catch your breath, so to speak.

Maybe you need to eat more.

It may also be that only one lift is stuck, but you still progressing on the others. This is definately not the time to abandon your whole routine. Small tweaks are needed. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Patience is always needed in this sport. Progress is measured in weeks, and months, not hours or days. One rep or one pound is progress.

Personally, I think that if you keep progression as the focal point, that most people can use the same routine for a long time. This notion of you need to change every 6-8 weeks is kinda absurd. Simply swapping the way you order you moves per sesson can be a huge difference on how your workout go's.

I think an important aspect is being able to analyze for yourself and see whats needed. If you can do that, you should be able to go for years with small course changes along the way.
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I flip flop my approach quite a bit - but I keep the lifts the same. I think this is a point that should be mentioned, since the topic of intermediate/advanced lifters was mentioned. Never sacrifice core lifts. I go through spells where I'll train the same for 8 month, then I'll tweak a program every 2-3 weeks for 4 months. But during this time, my lifts are always the same, and generally performed with the same frequency. I should also mention that I used the same training routine and approach for nearly 20 years before I began "playing around."

Rick - You bring up a good point about "the right program." Should a young lifter "suck it up", or play until they find a program that fits them mentally?
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Ditto on this!
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Never sacrifice core lifts.
It's my opinion that it might take some time to form an opinion on what fits you. There is just no substitute for experience, so getting some under your belt helps even for a noob. But a brand new lifter should find a very basic program and go with it a while. Read, read, discuss on this great forum, and then form an opinion.

All the while being on here and IPYU (IPYU much longer), I have witnessed some that just don't get it, no matter how you slice it. Their over-thinking it and that is their biggest issue.
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stick to a program until you stop seeing gains, or you get unmotivated to lift. little tweaks are ok, but stick to the big lifts on the program
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as a beginner ive changed everything around a lot, which isnt necessarily the smartest thing. the reason i've still been able to keep wieghts going up, is becuase, as mentioned above, i kept the same main/core lifts.
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as a beginner ive changed everything around a lot, which isnt necessarily the smartest thing. the reason i've still been able to keep wieghts going up, is becuase, as mentioned above, i kept the same main/core lifts.
That's really how it should be done. Everyone needs to make minor tweaks along the journey. But it's lot like one week you're doing DC training, and the next Max-stim and the next Westside and the next Heavy Duty.
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