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Old 07-05-2009, 05:46 PM   #1
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Default Natural Limits versus Steroids

I am having a conversation on several different forums about natural limits. Read the following article for more info.

Basically, when presented with natural limits, naturals LOVE to claim that they can exceed these limits with hard work. Here is my statement on this "belief."


Everyone says it's possible, but no one can find proof. And the guys that do say their "legs are bigger' then predicted have 20% bodyfat and/or are not using the formula correctly.

My arms are bigger then the prediction at the moment, but I also have 25%+ bodyfat as well.

I know this has been beaten do death but Arnold was 6'2", 235, and his bodyfat wasn't 4-6% like the current competitors, or whatever crazy amount they have.

Arnold 6'2" 235 ...8% bodyfat
Franco 5'5" 185 ...8% bodyfat

If you split that difference between these 2 muscular steroid users, you get (about)...

Average Joe...5'10" 210 ...8% bodyfat.

Here is a comparison between my natural predictions (roughly) and the stats of an uber bodybuilder somewhere between Arnold and Franco...

Steve Shaw
178 Pounds Lean Muscle
Weight: 240
Maximum natural potential is around 180-181, so I could still gain a few pounds.

Average Steroid Joe
210 pounds
8% bodyfat
193.2 Pounds Lean Muscle

What does this tell us?

That a steroid user from the Arnold/Franco era only had about 15 pounds of lean muscle on a natural champion. IF it is possible to surpass natural limits, then it is being stated that...

It's possible to become Arnold/Franco-esque WITHOUT steroids.

I can't believe people buy into this this.

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