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Old 05-01-2013, 02:48 PM   #11
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Youv'e all made it clear to me that I need to concentrate more on my training rather than diet.
I have diet covered now.
But my training has stalled somewhat.

I've been making good progress on the whole, but I've hit a wall recently.
I'm not sure how much weight I should be lifting anymore.

I feel I need to find a happy medium, between weight thats heavy enough for me to only complete 5 reps, and light enough for me to lift it whilst maintaining proper form.
It seems particularly on military press, the range of motion isn't much, the weight only goes just above my forehead, and after an hour and a half of watching Mark Rippetoe form videos, thats not how its done.

The problem is, if I go lower on the weights, I can go above 5 reps, which isn't what should be happening.

Its mainly military press, but I found on barbell rows too, that my range of motion isn't much.

As Off Road re-iterated,I'm not building muscle or strength, If I'm not increasing the weight each week.

I feel as though everything was going so well in terms of progression, and now I've taken a step backward.

What should I do?
Learn proper form before adding weight.

And keep in mind that you started lifting when? January this year, right? You are still in the pre-beginner learning phase and things are not predictable yet.

Bust your as even if your form is not pretty on the heavier sets. You're not strong enough to inflict any serious damage yet so its all OK =)

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Old 05-01-2013, 03:03 PM   #12
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What should I do?

Let's start by looking at numbers. Without a baseline we will have a hard time giving you proper advice.

What are your row and military press numbers now, and what were they one month ago and two months ago?
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Old 05-01-2013, 03:27 PM   #13
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Would like to here your numbers also.
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First of all, I'm happy to see you asking "lifting" advice instead of the usual "diet" advice. The best diet in the world isn't going to put on any muscle if you aren't getting stronger. The priority should always be lifting heavier, while eating is just another factor to increase those lifts.

To start with, give us an idea of how you determined what weight you started each lift with and how you determine how much weight to add each week. . .In other words, your progression scheme.
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Old 05-01-2013, 04:19 PM   #15
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Let's start by looking at numbers. Without a baseline we will have a hard time giving you proper advice.

What are your row and military press numbers now, and what were they one month ago and two months ago?
Just checked my log now, turns out its only 2 months since I started, not 3.

I increase the weight by 3kg / 6.5 pounds each week rows, and my current weight for rows is 58.5 kg / 127 pounds. Was 34 kg when I started. 2 months in 52 kg.

Military press was...20kg when I started, and now only 3kg heavier.
Weight fluctuated with MP, on good days, I got 26kg, and then other days I was back at 20kg where I started which was really frustrating.

....I've really messed this up haven't I.

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Old 05-02-2013, 04:01 AM   #16
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Since you answered BtB's question, I'll assume you want his help. You're in good hands, I'm sure he'll get you sorted out. Good luck.
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btb will sort you,

but i say use the rep goal system, i have told you before you dont knock off weight so you can hit 5reps on the nose every session, what you do is you hold steady on that weight and when you can hit all sets at 5 reps or more add weight and most probley your reps will dip again then you try more reps each workout intill you hit 5reps and more again then repeat.
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Old 05-02-2013, 05:43 AM   #18
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Just checked my log now, turns out its only 2 months since I started, not 3.

I increase the weight by 3kg / 6.5 pounds each week rows, and my current weight for rows is 58.5 kg / 127 pounds. Was 34 kg when I started. 2 months in 52 kg.

Military press was...20kg when I started, and now only 3kg heavier.
Weight fluctuated with MP, on good days, I got 26kg, and then other days I was back at 20kg where I started which was really frustrating.

....I've really messed this up haven't I.
That sounds like pretty damn good progress to me. Stop overthink shit and dont let a bad training session get you into change-things-up mode. Hell you need to be able to handle months or years of grinding stalls in progression to get stronger every now and then.

Keep on busting your balls.
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There is some very sound advice coming through here, and agree with what everyone has said.

Something you also will learn, as you continue learning your body, is that some areas aren't going to excel as fast as others. You may have a strong back so you will see your rows, deadlifts and other related lifts go up faster than everything else. Or you may find that you have weak shoulders and they need to be trained.

It is all relative to the person, you need to keep lifting and learn your body before you can see these trends. Don't get frustrated, just go in and work your weights and time will sort it all out for you. Don't freak out that the weight isn't skyrocketing, it will come as your body allows it.

You're making progress, that is what matters right now while you adjust to this kind of lifetsyle.
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Great advice guys, thank you.
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