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Old 03-15-2013, 05:44 PM   #31
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Old 03-15-2013, 08:44 PM   #32
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Ah, y'know, "supplementation" the likes of which a mammoth in its prime might not withstand.

Nothing much.
So to benefit from low volume you need supplemental enhancement?
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Old 03-15-2013, 08:53 PM   #33
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So to benefit from low volume you need supplemental enhancement?
For very low volume approaches to be anything like seriously effective over the long haul, definitely.

Sure, it increases capacity for workload, but that's only relevant if someone takes advantage of that, obviously. It also increases efficiency howevermanyfold, and that's what I'm talkin' 'bout.

There's just not enough stimulus there, otherwise, for an essentially natural lifter. I might not know much (yet), but I do know that.
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Im not being an ass but I strongly believe in the less is more theory. Load the bar and less reps and it has been very kind to me. Anything over 3 is cardio....
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From what I've seen of Dorian's training, it really wasn't that low in volume. Yes, he did "1 set" of each exercise, but that's not actually what happened. If you're doing a leg session with 6 movements and for each one you do 3-4 warmup sets and 1 all-out set with forced reps to failure, you've actually done 25-30 sets total with widely varying intensity, and most of his sets were done in the 8-15 rep range. Last I heard, 25-30 sets of 8-15 reps isn't low volume or high intensity, in the traditional sense.

In fact, by doing lots of different movements and includning warmup sets for each, you're actually taking the intensity way down compared to just choosing a couple movements and doing multiple working sets. In this way, the Mentzer/Yates training scheme is actually low intensity and high volume.
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From what I've seen of Dorian's training, it really wasn't that low in volume. Yes, he did "1 set" of each exercise, but that's not actually what happened. If you're doing a leg session with 6 movements and for each one you do 3-4 warmup sets and 1 all-out set with forced reps to failure, you've actually done 25-30 sets total with widely varying intensity, and most of his sets were done in the 8-15 rep range. Last I heard, 25-30 sets of 8-15 reps isn't low volume or high intensity, in the traditional sense.

In fact, by doing lots of different movements and includning warmup sets for each, you're actually taking the intensity way down compared to just choosing a couple movements and doing multiple working sets. In this way, the Mentzer/Yates training scheme is actually low intensity and high volume.
Doesnt sound low-vol to me, good post.
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Dorian did a lot of warm-up sets, many of those over 80% of his max. Those types of warm-up sets have a positive training effect. He also did TWO (not one) top sets of each lift to "ensure the muscle was being worked." All totaled he was doing 5 or 6 working sets per lift and multiple lifts per session. Hardly low volume at all. The problem came when the HIT Jedi nut bags started using him as their shining example of proof of low volume workouts and it kind of stuck.
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The most frustrating part is the confusion created by the semantics. HIT actually isn't high intensity. It's intense, but not high intensity.

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Indeed Yates wasn't that low volume. Plus as he used lower % of max its wasn't even that high intensity in terms of resistance training. So really it was mod volume and mod intensity. Dosnt sound quite as hardcore? Mentzer didnt build his physique with the stuff he came out with later on. Viator (spelling) apparently did other training along side the HIT. I have also heard Jones even fabricated some of his do called results. But hey he needed to sell his equipment.

A consistent methodical approach with progression will work. Nuts and bolts can be varied dependent what you want to buy into
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