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Old 06-28-2013, 12:59 PM   #21
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Ok, so I changed the thread question to the above, which is the essence of the discussion, specific names aside.
Yes it is. They will test you before a show and even on off season at any given time. You never know when they will test you and you only have so much time to be tested.
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I do not know about this specific federation but my general opinion is the following.

If a group of people are close to eachother in physique and all look pretty damn joocy. What sounds more likely to you?

-They are ALL natural, which means they are all 10/10 moral people who condemn the idea of 'cheating.

-None are natural, which means that they are all enhanced and people who do not want to go on the juice are simply not at their level.

I wouldn't call myself a pessimist, but I find the first option extremely unlikely. It's in our nature to want to win, sometimes regardless of rules. You are not going to 'outwork' PEDs or beat juicers as a natty because of your superior genetics, these guys are all at the very least above average genetics.

Just my opinion. I also agree with Steve that it's silly to worry about such things. It's quite likely that it doesn't affect you at all anyway.
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.Anyone can achieve the same results if they had the right training. .
I don't think that's true. I'd say it's more likely that most people could follow his exact training, work as hard as he does, eat exactly the same and still wouldn't get anywhere close to that physique.

No doubt the guy has a terrific work ethic and dedication: I'm taking nothing away from his achievement. But like it or not, people vary tremendously in their ability to add muscle, and he's at the top of the genetic tree.
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Old 06-28-2013, 06:12 PM   #24
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I don't think that's true. I'd say it's more likely that most people could follow his exact training, work as hard as he does, eat exactly the same and still wouldn't get anywhere close to that physique.

No doubt the guy has a terrific work ethic and dedication: I'm taking nothing away from his achievement. But like it or not, people vary tremendously in their ability to add muscle, and he's at the top of the genetic tree.
I agree with you..people can not do the same work to get the same results. They have to have a work out for their body type and growth development. Not everyone develop the same way and and their diet plays a good part. Martin is a big man and not everyone has his size. Who ever your trainer will be can help you with your needs as a body builder to help develop you and cut you the way you desire. Martin is a trainer and their are alot of good trainers out there. You just have to find the right one for you. There are even some professional body builders that will answer your questions for free. Martin is one of them. He is a very down to earth kind of guy.
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Never understand the debate of natural versus not. Never.

People choose to do what they want to look and lift how they want. End of story. There is no moral high ground in "not using." At least, not in my opinion.

Steroids are illegal in the U.S. If breaking the law doesn't affect one's morals than what does? It would be a very sad day for me to admit use to somebody I respect, under these terms.

For the record I'm not a prime example. Most certainly I'd use if income was solely reliant on athletic performance. Also, I've seen a number of your posts and I'm sure you're about as good as they come, fwiw.

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"Natural" is such a loaded question too. Suppose a guy has low test or whatever and takes prescribed meds? Is he no longer natural? What about a kid in college bulking up with anabolics because his coach says he can go pro if he's bigger, but he doesn't go pro, stops using and years later decides to compete in lifting, can he compete as a natural? Etc. If you have to split hairs about this and that, then the question is faulty.

I will always believe what someone says until I have proof otherwise. But I do wish users would stay out of lower level competitions, away from newer lifters, and not write workouts or talk about training that naturals simply cannot do or talk about size goals naturals simply cannot hit.

Just my .02 Not intended to offend anybody. I generally do not care what people do, but it does bother me that some look for that chemical edge before they max out their natural potential. I understand why some do it, but wish it wasn't so easy for them to do it. I don't think that is a healthy way to look at a challenge when you are relatively new to the game.

Pro athletes doing whatever doesn't bother me at all, but kids in school? Guys who have only lifted a few years just so they can win some local meets or be the biggest guy in their gym? No, I don't see that being good at all.
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