Muscle and Brawn Forums
 

Go Back   Muscle and Brawn Forums > Training > Muscle Building and Bodybuilding
Mark Forums Read
Register Articles Members List Search Today's Posts

Notices

Muscle Building and Bodybuilding Topics related to muscle building, bodybuilding, including training and fullbody workouts. If you are looking for great advice on gaining muscle this forum is for you.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 11-04-2012, 07:21 PM   #21
5kgLifter
Kettlebells' Angel !!!!
Max Brawn
Points: 23,645, Level: 94 Points: 23,645, Level: 94 Points: 23,645, Level: 94
Activity: 11% Activity: 11% Activity: 11%
 
5kgLifter's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 13,927
Training Type: Other
Reputation: 646483
5kgLifter is one with Crom!5kgLifter is one with Crom!5kgLifter is one with Crom!5kgLifter is one with Crom!5kgLifter is one with Crom!5kgLifter is one with Crom!5kgLifter is one with Crom!5kgLifter is one with Crom!5kgLifter is one with Crom!5kgLifter is one with Crom!5kgLifter is one with Crom!
Default

I can't remember who said what but...who cares I once read that locking out (not snapping, not overextending) was good for strength...if we don't force the skeletal system to handle the loads we want the muscles to deal with, why are we even bothering? That's like sticking a great clutch sytem in a car and then just grinding all the gears.
__________________
36.5 kg /80.3 lb Middle-Finger DL (right hand)...
5kgLifter is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 11-04-2012, 08:26 PM   #22
Kyle Aaron
community gym PT
Brawn
Points: 4,796, Level: 44 Points: 4,796, Level: 44 Points: 4,796, Level: 44
Activity: 3% Activity: 3% Activity: 3%
 
Kyle Aaron's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2010
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 196
Training Type: General Fitness
Fav Exercise: deadlift
Fav Supp: milk
Reputation: 32248
Kyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machine
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Disciple X View Post
I see what that video shows as a different way to train.
The video shows a bunch of guys on steroids. Let's leave aside the issue of whether steroids are evil and wrong since that's irrelevant; but they do change the equation. If they didn't change things there'd be no reason to use them. Drugs allow you to do a lot of things which would be less than wise and useful if you were drug-free, for example training twice a day with a six-way split.

I confine my advice to drug-free trainees. Use the fullest possible range of motion, and go ahead and lock out your joints. If you lock out violently then in the long-term you may get injuries, just ask Olympic weightlifters.
__________________
Athletic Club East - curing iron deficiency
Kyle Aaron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2012, 11:56 PM   #23
TitanCT
Manlet of Malice
Max Brawn
Points: 10,355, Level: 67 Points: 10,355, Level: 67 Points: 10,355, Level: 67
Activity: 1% Activity: 1% Activity: 1%
 

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: CT
Posts: 1,415
Reputation: 110787
TitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle Aaron View Post
The video shows a bunch of guys on steroids. Let's leave aside the issue of whether steroids are evil and wrong since that's irrelevant; but they do change the equation. If they didn't change things there'd be no reason to use them. Drugs allow you to do a lot of things which would be less than wise and useful if you were drug-free, for example training twice a day with a six-way split.

I confine my advice to drug-free trainees. Use the fullest possible range of motion, and go ahead and lock out your joints. If you lock out violently then in the long-term you may get injuries, just ask Olympic weightlifters.
Drug free? So athletes that are free from Tylenol? Caffeine? People forget what the definition of "drug" actually is.
My advice to you is don't bring up steroids until you learn something about them. You come across as naive.
Training basics are used with or without steroids. Not locking out is common in bodybuilding its called "constant tension" and it's used by ALL bodybuilders period.
Btw, one of those "guys on steroids" is one of the smartest trainers around right now. Another is one of the most knowledgable on injury prevention. Was awesome how you just passed them off as nothing.
TitanCT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2012, 11:59 PM   #24
TitanCT
Manlet of Malice
Max Brawn
Points: 10,355, Level: 67 Points: 10,355, Level: 67 Points: 10,355, Level: 67
Activity: 1% Activity: 1% Activity: 1%
 

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: CT
Posts: 1,415
Reputation: 110787
TitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BendtheBar View Post
There is no doubt it can work. That doesn't mean it's essential for everyone. Training is an art form, no? It's like a free jazz song. 2 beautiful physiques can be constructed using a lot of different notes and intricate structures.

Most great chests over the past 60 years were constructed with reps that were locked out. So that tells us that the locking/no locking debate is no different than the slow negatives debate, or the TUT debate, or the whatever debate.

All tools can work. Doesn't make them essential. I certainly think for the majority of gym rats who will never compete, which is 99% of humanity, they will never need to worry about things like this.

So there. That's my counterpoint. Or counterpoints. Or sharp stick to the eye. I still love ya. Come to the dark side. Just because I think it's non-essential doesn't mean I don't believe it has value.
Do believe I have defended locking out as well as constant tension. I use both as well as variable partial ranges
As I said "never say never" there's a time,use, and place for almost everything
TitanCT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 06:38 AM   #25
RobMoriRB
Senior Member
Max Brawn
Points: 10,240, Level: 67 Points: 10,240, Level: 67 Points: 10,240, Level: 67
Activity: 60% Activity: 60% Activity: 60%
 
RobMoriRB's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: London, Ontario Canada
Posts: 4,151
Training Exp: 3
Training Type: Powerlifting
Fav Exercise: Squat
Fav Supp: Mutant Mass
Reputation: 132581
RobMoriRB is a master memberRobMoriRB is a master memberRobMoriRB is a master memberRobMoriRB is a master memberRobMoriRB is a master memberRobMoriRB is a master memberRobMoriRB is a master memberRobMoriRB is a master memberRobMoriRB is a master memberRobMoriRB is a master memberRobMoriRB is a master member
Default

I train lock out because its required in the sport
__________________
MEET PR
Squat: 440
Bench: 301
Dead Lift: 501

GYM PR
Squat: 405
Bench: 285
Dead Lift: 475

Block Program:http://www.muscleandbrawn.com/forums...ad.php?t=17576
BLOG:http://theanimalmethod.wordpress.com/
RobMoriRB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 06:46 AM   #26
Hazzard
Senior Member
Max Brawn
Points: 5,710, Level: 48 Points: 5,710, Level: 48 Points: 5,710, Level: 48
Activity: 10% Activity: 10% Activity: 10%
 
Hazzard's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,521
Training Type: Powerlifting
Fav Exercise: Squat
Fav Supp: Pizza
Reputation: 1950
Hazzard has made some good postsHazzard has made some good postsHazzard has made some good postsHazzard has made some good postsHazzard has made some good postsHazzard has made some good postsHazzard has made some good postsHazzard has made some good postsHazzard has made some good postsHazzard has made some good postsHazzard has made some good posts
Default

Here's a crazy idea: why not try both and see what works for you? (Not necessarily aimed at the OP, just a general point)
__________________
Hazzard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 11:02 PM   #27
Kyle Aaron
community gym PT
Brawn
Points: 4,796, Level: 44 Points: 4,796, Level: 44 Points: 4,796, Level: 44
Activity: 3% Activity: 3% Activity: 3%
 
Kyle Aaron's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2010
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 196
Training Type: General Fitness
Fav Exercise: deadlift
Fav Supp: milk
Reputation: 32248
Kyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machineKyle Aaron is a lifting machine
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TitanCT
Drug free? So athletes that are free from Tylenol? Caffeine? People forget what the definition of "drug" actually is.
You know I didn't mean caffeine, don't be deliberately obtuse or try to confuse the issue.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TitanCT View Post
Btw, one of those "guys on steroids" is one of the smartest trainers around right now. Another is one of the most knowledgable on injury prevention.
I don't doubt they know what they're doing. I never said that drugs mean you don't have to train properly. I simply said that approaches which are optimal while taking drugs are not necessarily optimal while not taking drugs.

Beginner, intermediate, advanced, powerlifter, bodybuilder, sprinter, jumper, thrower, drug-user, non-drug-user, younger lifter, older lifter, each has an approach which is optimal for them but would not be optimal for the others.

I would not advise anyone to use steroids or hgh. If they were using them already, then I would advise them not to lock out violently during their lifts.
__________________
Athletic Club East - curing iron deficiency
Kyle Aaron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2012, 02:01 PM   #28
TitanCT
Manlet of Malice
Max Brawn
Points: 10,355, Level: 67 Points: 10,355, Level: 67 Points: 10,355, Level: 67
Activity: 1% Activity: 1% Activity: 1%
 

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: CT
Posts: 1,415
Reputation: 110787
TitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master memberTitanCT is a master member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle Aaron View Post
You know I didn't mean caffeine, don't be deliberately obtuse or try to confuse the issue.

I don't doubt they know what they're doing. I never said that drugs mean you don't have to train properly. I simply said that approaches which are optimal while taking drugs are not necessarily optimal while not taking drugs.

Beginner, intermediate, advanced, powerlifter, bodybuilder, sprinter, jumper, thrower, drug-user, non-drug-user, younger lifter, older lifter, each has an approach which is optimal for them but would not be optimal for the others.

I would not advise anyone to use steroids or hgh. If they were using them already, then I would advise them not to lock out violently during their lifts.
deliberately obtuse? you said "drug" caffeine is a drug. im tired of people saying "im drug free" when they arent.
so dont try to downplay something because society accepts one thing and not the other.

as far as training. steroids or not, the fundamentals never change. Period. Locking out has its place, constant tension has its place, so do many other techniques.

please, learn about a subject, and i mean more than the typical stereotypical nonsense, before you speak about it.
TitanCT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2012, 04:37 PM   #29
J_Byrd
Senior Member
Max Brawn
Points: 21,229, Level: 91 Points: 21,229, Level: 91 Points: 21,229, Level: 91
Activity: 28% Activity: 28% Activity: 28%
 
J_Byrd's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: St. Johns, FL
Posts: 5,877
Training Exp: 15
Training Type: Powerlifting
Fav Exercise: Squat
Reputation: 457971
J_Byrd is one with Crom!J_Byrd is one with Crom!J_Byrd is one with Crom!J_Byrd is one with Crom!J_Byrd is one with Crom!J_Byrd is one with Crom!J_Byrd is one with Crom!J_Byrd is one with Crom!J_Byrd is one with Crom!J_Byrd is one with Crom!J_Byrd is one with Crom!
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle Aaron View Post
I would not advise anyone to use steroids or hgh. If they were using them already, then I would advise them not to lock out violently during their lifts.
I think its pretty clear that nobody should be constantly violently locking out lifts.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TitanCT View Post
as far as training. steroids or not, the fundamentals never change. Period. Locking out has its place, constant tension has its place, so do many other techniques.

please, learn about a subject, and i mean more than the typical stereotypical nonsense, before you speak about it.
The basic prinicples never change. Want to grow, have to spend time under the bar. I think you have to lock out a number of reps along the way to finish muscle development, but what do I know I am a busted up powerlifter haha!
__________________
Best meet lifts: 1040squat, 705 bench, 730 deadlift
Best total: 1040-680-730=2450
Pro Total@308

Proudly sponsored by

http://muscleandbrawn.com

http://bigworkoutplan.com/

http://www.andersonpowerlifting.com/Default.asp


"This is about strength, not getting a 10.0 form score from the Russian judge" Steve Shaw
J_Byrd is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2012, 04:49 PM   #30
BendtheBar
Bearded Beast of Duloc
Max Brawn
Points: 1,554,481, Level: 100 Points: 1,554,481, Level: 100 Points: 1,554,481, Level: 100
Activity: 49% Activity: 49% Activity: 49%
 
BendtheBar's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 79,943
Training Exp: 20+ years
Training Type: Powerbuilding
Fav Exercise: Deadlift
Fav Supp: Butter
Reputation: 2584002
BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!BendtheBar is one with Crom!
Default

"Not locking out" out is a tool. There are hundreds of tools. None of them are "required."

A tool to me is a lifting practice or concept outside the realm of the fundamentals. Lift consistently, eat enough, use the best exercises for your goal, get a lot stronger than you are now, etc.

I've seen it all over the years...Claims that TUT is required, 10 second negatives are required, etc. None of them are required.
__________________
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Destroy That Which Destroys You

"Let bravery be thy choice, but not bravado."


BendtheBar is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
joints, locking


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Pain in Joints and muscles sabbath General Fitness & Health 8 10-04-2012 03:48 PM
Unique Formula To Renew, Strengthen & Protect The Joints! Rich Knapp Nutrition, Diet and Supplements 0 10-27-2010 08:37 PM
Take Care Of Your Joints To Have Years Of Injury And Pain Free Bodybuilding Dork McSchlorp General Board 1 08-25-2010 10:22 PM

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:19 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.