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Old 08-20-2012, 09:41 AM   #1
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Posting this for discussion, as I found it an interesting quote. It's from an upcoming article by bodybuilding writer Jim Brewster.

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When Iím online and I see various training ideas, Iím naturally most intrigued by any training concept that has a lot of science behind it. Trust me, Iím not a ďlift big, eat big, grow big Ė itís simpleĒ kind of guy. The truth is, itís anything but simple and even that simple piece of advice leaves a million questions unanswered.
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Old 08-20-2012, 09:54 AM   #2
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He's a writer, so "simple" doesn't get his articles into print.
He may also be more advanced and needs complexity. Probably forgot how simple it is to just get started. In the begining; lift big, eat big, grow big works pretty darned well for most.
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I think it's simple and then, it isn't. The big problem, to me, appears to be people thinking they are eating big and lifting big when, in fact, they aren't.

Once you get that concept down and can pack on, say 15-20 pounds, then you are likely at a point where you might want to being a deeper understanding of how your body responds to training frequency/volume and how you might need to tweak meal timing and/or composition.

All very simple AND very complicated.
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A few questions which I think are worth considering when looking at this:

1) Do you need to know why a routine works, or just that has worked?

2) Imagine two identical routines which are very basic and produce results. Routine A is simply the basic routine, Routine B is the same basic routine plus a scientific explanation breaking it down. Which is more or less valid to you, which is more or less what you'd go to?

3) Is it better to have no explanation, or a false one?

4) Is it complex, or is it just new to you?
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Even the definition of complex needs some work. For someone just starting, learning the deadlift or squat properly is a complex issue. Much of what we term as complex is not the exercise itself, but the routine, timing or weight percentages we apply to said exercise. Most routines I see are, on the surface, relatively simple. When you start to get into the whys behind them and the descriptions of how to set them up, then they become complex.

As to the "lift big, eat big, grow big," concept... What new complex innovation has come out to supplant this view point? Have I really missed something?
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For someone just starting, learning the deadlift or squat properly is a complex issue.
I will add to that progression. How to progress is not something conventionally taught in the magazine routines, so it is still completely foreign to most young lifters who post there workouts on forums, looking for a critique.

Usually they list sets and exercises. The first question I ask is, what does your progression scheme look like?

Magazines also rarely feature quality squat and deadlift form advice, etc.

I guess my point here is that most times the basics are glossed over, leaving a younger lifter without a solid foundation, which only makes things harder. Things can feel overly-complicated because they are missing vital information.
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Most people don't know how to process studies on their own and are likely to fall prey to someone's misinterpretation or mis-application of information because of the author's excitement and conviction. Which expert do we choose? I've seen a lot of opinions based on studies and then turn around and see 99% of people doing the opposite and being successful.

Most everything works, but why?
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Most everything works, but why?
Analyze those who are successful at building muscle and you get common themes like:

1) Long term dedication. (At least 2-3 years minimum commitment)
2) They improved their strength dramatically during this time.
3) Dedication to an eating plan, whatever this plan may be.

They are super-committed, highly motivated, rarely miss workouts, know what they are eating and when they are eating it, and have progressed in strength.

I've chronicled over 300 bodybuilders and top fitness models and to a T every one of them has a crazy level of commitment. I've never met one that didn't know how many calories they were generally eating each day. Guessing is never a part of their equation, whether it be training or diet.

My focus is to get people focused on these basics. Without them I know they will probably fail at building a lot of muscle. Beyond that, past the first couple years of training, I'll let the more advanced guys guide them with studies, etc., and advanced training concepts.
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Nothing is ever simple and anything simple can be made complex, if someone decided to make it so (Number 1...couldn't resist, sorry )


But, lifting more, whether via volume or heavy load, coupled with eating more, should always in theory work for anyone to put lean mass on; as for lift big to get big, nope...there are loads of big people around, that have the eating part sussed, but they don't lift.
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3) Is it better to have no explanation, or a false one?
I would rather have no explanation than a false one. Falsehood is like bad form. Once it gets deep rooted, it takes a while (and effort) to get rid of.
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