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zach90 10-11-2013 04:59 PM

why goals suck
 
more george leeman


BendtheBar 10-11-2013 05:33 PM

My 2 cents...

What most people need is consistency, patience and to actually enjoy what they are doing.

You can set a target but that doesn't mean it's a good target. I've seen hundreds of people set targets on this site. Good or bad target, they never arrive because they like the target more than they like the training.

I personally find my best target is one more rep, one more pound. It keeps me focused on what's important to me: maximizing every workout.

5kgLifter 10-11-2013 05:39 PM

^^Likewise, I don't really have goals, per se, I just like to see progression which is all that counts, to me.

Bronco 10-11-2013 06:49 PM

i always have goals, they help keep me motivated.
goals, targets, or whatever. i can't really get excited about the semantics and all that.
i think it's varies for individuals. different things motivate people in different ways.

i had just started fooling around with squats and deadlifts . you know, like 185 - 225lbs.
so at the beginning of 2012 i decided i'd set some goals for the end of 2012 to give me something to shoot for. started doing 5 sets of 5 once a week. by the end of february i'd started to figure out how to lift better and realized i'd vastly underestimated my potential to lift heavy stuff. had to adjust my goals because i was about to reach them already. so my new goals were a lot tougher. i had to actually research workout programs and stuff, and just push it a lot harder if i wanted to reach them. so that's what i did. so, the point is i think setting these goals motivated me to push myself harder. but that's just me.

Gorship 10-11-2013 07:00 PM

I dont have goals, other than continuing the progressive overload in my routine, forever and ever.

Dray 10-11-2013 07:52 PM

So it turns out I've had some targets, and so far, I've hit each of them. I've created more since then, and will hit them as well.

I would've just called them "goals", but hey, if he says so... ;)


edit: I don't see "small milestones" (or whatever you want to call them) as a bad thing. To each their own though.

Kleurplaay 10-12-2013 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BendtheBar (Post 416027)
My 2 cents...

What most people need is consistency, patience and to actually enjoy what they are doing.

You can set a target but that doesn't mean it's a good target. I've seen hundreds of people set targets on this site. Good or bad target, they never arrive because they like the target more than they like the training.

I personally find my best target is one more rep, one more pound. It keeps me focused on what's important to me: maximizing every workout.

True story. I think (not sure though) that George means that it's way better for your progress to have 'tangible' targets along the way such as: today I'm doing 85kg for 4 sets of 5, or I'm going to bench press 3 times a week, in other words smaller 'goals' where the road to the goal/target is clear. What George is calling a 'goal' here seems to be things like "I want to squat 3 plates", which he thinks isn't as useful because it isn't clear how you want to get there.

Another example would be:

Goal: Reach the top of Mount Everest.
Target: Climb to the top of Mount Everest.

Obviously in this example the goal and target are practically the same, as it is obvious that to reach the top you have to climb it (unless you're going to fly there or some other shenanigans). But in the world of training, it isn't always clear what the best way to reach a goal is. This is why he recommends you set tangible targets along the way, which would in practice strongly relate to what you say is most important: "CONSISTENCY".

Feeling good along the way is crucial aswell. George might say (and I believe him when he says that) that he is a deeply unhappy/messed up person, but he still has that 'feel good' glow when he lifts a ridiculous weight.

Lastly I can say that I personally just feel good when I accomplish something small such as adding 2.5kg to my bench or squatting 1 or 2 extra reps. When I reach a long-term goal I set for myself way back I usually don't enjoy it that much. Usually by then I've already adjusted my goals to a higher weight again. The only real long-term goal I have is: "Become as strong as possible and look the part too".

TobesLCFC 10-13-2013 03:48 PM

Why Goals Suck
 
Food for thought


BendtheBar 10-13-2013 05:13 PM

Merging with the other thread.

TobesLCFC 10-14-2013 05:21 PM

Woops sorry


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