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Old 03-31-2012, 12:13 PM   #41
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The industry would like you to believe that all you have to do is increase your activity to lose weight. Truth is that there are tons of fat people out there riding exercise bikes and jogging miles. Just look at all the heavy powerlifters that train their conditioning on a regular basis. The truth is that your diet will determine your weight loss, period. .
A diet will have something to do with your weight loss, yes. My point is your body stores fat when you consume more calories than you expand. If you expand more calories, then you will burn more energy. A lot of people simply pick up activity and lose weight from the metabolism increase alone.

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So you believe a person that just sits around on the couch all day will lose weight with a diet alone? How would that person expand even enough energy to even lose weight?
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Old 03-31-2012, 12:18 PM   #42
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So you believe a person that just sits around on the couch all day will lose weight with a diet alone? How would that person expand even enough energy to even lose weight?
People in prison camps don't stay the same weight. People who are sick don't stay the same weight. My wife, some friends, and many co-workers go on Weight Watchers with no increase in activity and lose weight. Nobody said anything about having to sit on the couch all day, but yes you could sit on the couch and lose weight if you were taking in less calories than your body functions were using up.
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People in prison camps don't stay the same weight. People who are sick don't stay the same weight. My wife, some friends, and many co-workers go on Weight Watchers with no increase in activity and lose weight. Nobody said anything about having to sit on the couch all day, but yes you could sit on the couch and lose weight if you were taking in less calories than your body functions were using up.
People that are sick usually lose muscle mass first due to the catabolism they bring in by not eating calories.

You would have to be in starvation mode to eat fewer calories than you expand by just sitting on the couch.
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Totally agree. I'm of the opinion (erroneously perhaps) that exercise should be used to for health and fitness purposes first, fat loss second as an added bonus.

We all burn a certain amount of calories per day even when sedentary. There are various calculators online that show how many calories you burn based on your activity level, weight etc. but a better idea is to do an experiment for a week if possible where you record your calories and find out what your current daily caloric expenditure is. I did it and found that the calculators were out by around 200-300 calories a day.
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OR has a great point. Start with the baby steps. For instance; Go the next two weeks without ANY car stops. This would include fast food or convenience stores. If it is your parent's house, you can eat or drink it, if it is not, you don't touch it. After two weeks, set a new goal, maybe to cut grain products down to just one meal a day. How and what you eat is ALL about how you live. It is a discipline issue. If you do not have the discipline to accomplish the baby step above, you won't have the discipline to handle many other obstacles in life. I am as "outside the box" as anyone when it comes to what you can or can't eat, but whether you eat low carb or high carb, low fat or high fat, there is still the element of discipline needed to achieve your goal. Sounds harsh, but I tell my Fit for the King folks, "it is a lot easier to deal with your nutrition than it is to deal with your death." Think of it like your vacation. Determine what you want, then how you will get there, then what it will take to get it done, finally do it.

From what I am hearing you say, I would encourage you to read some of Dr. Berardi's Precision Nutrition stuff. He is big on taking the baby steps in the process of losing fat.
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I was a prison guard for over a year at a Level 4 security institution. Let me say federal prisons have access to pools and two hours of recreation every day. Mostly all the inmates do are play basketball, lift weights and run track. They also have jobs inside the prison that require them to constantly walk up and down stairs. Inmates are pretty much constantly moving. You'd be surprised.

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From what I am hearing you say, I would encourage you to read some of Dr. Berardi's Precision Nutrition stuff. He is big on taking the baby steps in the process of losing fat.
Thanks. I'll look up the author you referred to and do some research.
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People that are sick usually lose muscle mass first due to the catabolism they bring in by not eating calories.

You would have to be in starvation mode to eat fewer calories than you expand by just sitting on the couch.
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I was a prison guard for over a year at a Level 4 security institution. Let me say federal prisons have access to pools and two hours of recreation every day. Mostly all the inmates do are play basketball, lift weights and run track. They also have jobs inside the prison that require them to constantly walk up and down stairs. Inmates are pretty much constantly moving. You'd be surprised.
I think Off Road was referring to POW camps not the prison system that you're thinking of.

I agree about the catabolism of lean tissue in relation to the sick but it's brought about two-fold, due to the restricted diet and the lack of movement/exercise necessitated by some illnesses.




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Oh, OK. I'm not sure about the POW camps though.

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145 pounds. 13 months. I took a couple of walks, but that was it.
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So you believe a person that just sits around on the couch all day will lose weight with a diet alone? How would that person expand even enough energy to even lose weight?
Yes. Exercise isn't needed.

I've done it several times. I got to 245 while selling cars and lost 60 pounds in 4 months without even thinking about exercise. In 2007 I lost 60 pounds in 3 months doing jack squat. I just counted calories and ate mostly healthy foods.

You don't need to expend energy. You just eat less. You could lay in bed all day long only eating 2000 calories of Ding Dongs and you'd lose weight.

Counting calories/calorie management is the key. Everything is just icing.

At least 10 times a month I get asked (job related) "why can't I lose weight? I'm exercising X hours a week!"

Eat less.

Running 2 miles doesn't even burn off a candy bar.
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