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Old 01-04-2012, 09:59 AM   #11
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Arms as hooks, start the row by moving the elbows back, finish by contracting the lats.
If you word it like that (which is what I do); my shoulder blades are in, but not fully retracted until the peak of the pull.
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Old 01-04-2012, 10:01 AM   #12
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Its excellent advice steve. Using little mind-control cues is similar to the way I teach bench. Even though its the same motion, thinking of it in a different light often results in better form.
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Its excellent advice steve. Using little mind-control cues is similar to the way I teach bench. Even though its the same motion, thinking of it in a different light often results in better form.
Yep.

For me retraction exercises are infinitely more useful for the Bench and Squat rather than the Deadlift. Even if that sounds counter-intuitive. A hefty upper back has great value for Benches and a nice thick shelf for Squats works well also.
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For me retraction exercises are infinitely more useful for the Bench and Squat
This is what I have come to find. Also just to clarify, by pulling, I meant rows and pull-ups for effectively working the back.
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For me retraction exercises are infinitely more useful for the Bench and Squat rather than the Deadlift. Even if that sounds counter-intuitive. A hefty upper back has great value for Benches and a nice thick shelf for Squats works well also.
I find it hard to explain to people to pull their shoulder blades back, so I just tell them to lift their chest up and out. Lol, it does the same motion, and I'll pull their shoulders back further if I need to.

I actually saw a guy doing the J-hook or whatever you want to call it, to get set up on bench. I looked at him and asked him where he learned that form, and suggested Dave Tate. He laughed and said yup. Its nice to see a lot of new lifters learning from good sources.
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Arms as hooks, start the row by moving the elbows back, finish by contracting the lats.
That's exactly the way I teach chin-ups it too. When working with my own kids I found it helpful to actually grab an elbow on one side and squeeze the lat on the other side to to re-inforce the idea. It worked very well.
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When I was in PT last year for my shoulder, my PT had me do several exercises where my shoulder blades were retracted and depressed. I tend to do this to them now with most exercises and my shoulders have really never felt better.

If you think you have a strong lateral raise, try them seated (with back support), with your shoulders pushed up, then back, then down and in contact with the back of the bench. Completely different exercise.
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