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Old 03-23-2014, 10:39 AM   #1
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Okay, so I had a few questions that get down to the minor details of lifting, which I know some people don't like, but they are just questions.

Squatting shoes (Weightlifting shoes) are extremely expensive, so I use a plate to raise my heel, and I know a lot of people wear chucks, as did I until they broke.

Also, I bought two sets of sleeves today. Elbow sleeves for pressing and knee sleeves for squatting. It's not to look cool or support me, but more so for on a Monday when I do Squat and Bench for reps, I find it harder to warm up my joints no matter how many warm up sets I do, however on a Friday after I have done OHP my Bench feels a lot easier and smoother, because things are warm and have been used. Hopefully these will help!

Also, intrigued about belts.

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1. Can you wear a pair of classic Vans as opposed to chucks, as the sole isn't too disimilair?

2. Does anybody else use sleeves? WHy? What do you feel are the benefits?

3. Belts. I currently borrow my gyms belt, just a standard RDX leather regular gym belt, and it helps sometimes. But I'm curious about Lever belts for my heavier sets... What are the pros and cons of a lever belt over a normal? Why choose that instead? Is it just convenience and a bigger budget?

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As far as ive heard, a raised heel is best used with an extremely close stance. However, everyone is different.

Sleeves cant hurt. And that is where my knowledge ends. If you choose a lever belt, you might end up having to readjust it for squats differently than you would deadlifts.
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As far as ive heard, a raised heel is best used with an extremely close stance. However, everyone is different.

Sleeves cant hurt. And that is where my knowledge ends. If you choose a lever belt, you might end up having to readjust it for squats differently than you would deadlifts.
I disagree, a LOT of high level lifters squat in raised heels. They both fix any possible ankle mobility problems and allow you to sit back more without falling (I call it 'leaning against the heel').

I'd honestly say that the majority of people will squat better better in a raised heel with people who perform better in a flat shoe being the minority. Obviously you're not going to see this in practice lots of people don't care enough about their squat to buy an olympic shoe or simply don't know about them.
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I disagree, a LOT of high level lifters squat in raised heels. They both fix any possible ankle mobility problems and allow you to sit back more without falling (I call it 'leaning against the heel').

I'd honestly say that the majority of people will squat better better in a raised heel with people who perform better in a flat shoe being the minority. Obviously you're not going to see this in practice lots of people don't care enough about their squat to buy an olympic shoe or simply don't know about them.
That is interesting, I dont know of many top tier squatters that use a heel. I am sure you will see more in the IPF areas with a hell. Got me interested in looking now haha.
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That is interesting, I dont know of many top tier squatters that use a heel. I am sure you will see more in the IPF areas with a hell. Got me interested in looking now haha.
Dan Green, Malanichev, Steve Goggins come to mind. I think you are right that lots of IPF lifters use them but I don't know any of their names really! I think a lot of top squatters use a non-raised heel shoe as well. It's really just a matter of personal preference in my opinion. Personally, I prefer a raised heel.
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Dan Green, Malanichev, Steve Goggins come to mind. I think you are right that lots of IPF lifters use them but I don't know any of their names really! I think a lot of top squatters use a non-raised heel shoe as well. It's really just a matter of personal preference in my opinion. Personally, I prefer a raised heel.
Seems to be more prevalent in the raw lifting world, since those guys generally want a more upright stance. I haven't seen many multi ply guys go away from a flat sole.
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Like Ramrod I prefer a raised heal but I have the Adidas he mentioned. I have fairly narrow feet and adidas tend to fit me better than Nike. Best $90 I've spent for the gym and in comparison to the cycling shoes I had to buy every few years at $400 they are a bargain.
Wow!! $400 for cycling shoes? Is that mountain biking shoes? I k ow their sole is flat but slightly raised heel. I have quite slim but long feet, so maybe Adidas lifting shoes are the way forward? I wear Jordan and Basketball to hoop in but don't know if that'll translate fit wise.




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I also have Nike Roamleos and love the raised heel, which I feel is especially helpful to a deep squatter like me. I also love the stability - once you are in place, your feel are not moving anywhere. Too me, stability is everything.

I use SBD knee sleeves a love the warmth they provide, along with some stability on moderate weights. They also seem to provide a little assistance with some bounce out of the hole. However, when I am approaching max weights, I use knee wraps - loose on near maxes and tight on maxes or next to maxes.

I also have an Inzer lever belt, and love it. I bought it because I liked the convenience and the fact that it was used and broken in already. I feel the most important thing to remember when using a belt is to wear it high enough so you can feel and keep your air.

I realize equipment costs money, of which it seems not alot of people have alot of these days, but any sport you involve your self in costs money. here in Canada, parents can spend around $5000 on hockey equipment for their kids. I feel it also a matter of perspective when spending money on your sport.
This is why I'm asking questions right now, because if I am going to spend money on it I want to make sure that it is good and right for me, plus if it is actually worth it or not!

They certainly can, hockey is expensive ha! Thank you for this post dude it was really helpful, i'm learning a lot from these replies and it is influencing my decision well! Thank you dude!!




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I disagree, a LOT of high level lifters squat in raised heels. They both fix any possible ankle mobility problems and allow you to sit back more without falling (I call it 'leaning against the heel').

I'd honestly say that the majority of people will squat better better in a raised heel with people who perform better in a flat shoe being the minority. Obviously you're not going to see this in practice lots of people don't care enough about their squat to buy an olympic shoe or simply don't know about them.
I like to use a 5kg / 11lbs plate on the floor as it's about .75 inch thick, which plus a bit of my sole acts nicely as a heel since I can't afford squatting shoes!

I care about my squat just weighing up costs and such, thank you for your helpful response! Thaks dude!
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Wow!! $400 for cycling shoes? Is that mountain biking shoes? I know their sole is flat but slightly raised heel. I have quite slim but long feet, so maybe Adidas lifting shoes are the way forward?
Yep, when I was racing I paid about $400 for high-end carbon fiber soled shoes with a semi-custom orthotic for the road. I wore off the shelf $250 shoes for mountain and cyclocross. When you regularly spend 4-5 hours training you need to make sure your bike and kit fit properly or you're going to suffer. Especially your knees. That's why when I started lifting seriously (for me) I bought the Oly shoes. I don't have any depth or ankle flexibility issues and at 47 I'm going to do every thing I can to keep it that way. In fact, tonight is OHP day on my Wendler 531 plan. I wear the Adidas for the OHP as well as the squat. I bench and deadlift in a very thin soled cheap shoe by a brand called "Superga". They have little to no padding and a very flat sole.
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Yeah, I'm getting a pair of the Reebok crossfit lite PR. It's the shoe that Mark Bell helped design. I was sold after I did some research. Hopefully they work out.

By the way, I should mention that I use special orthodics that are designed to help with my foot pain (plantar fasciitis). They support my arch and also increase the heal rise just slightly in any shoe I use. I even use them when I squat, but it's hardly a raised heal.
Awesome! Hope they work for you dude! LEt me know!

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Yep, when I was racing I paid about $400 for high-end carbon fiber soled shoes with a semi-custom orthotic for the road. I wore off the shelf $250 shoes for mountain and cyclocross. When you regularly spend 4-5 hours training you need to make sure your bike and kit fit properly or you're going to suffer. Especially your knees. That's why when I started lifting seriously (for me) I bought the Oly shoes. I don't have any depth or ankle flexibility issues and at 47 I'm going to do every thing I can to keep it that way. In fact, tonight is OHP day on my Wendler 531 plan. I wear the Adidas for the OHP as well as the squat. I bench and deadlift in a very thin soled cheap shoe by a brand called "Superga". They have little to no padding and a very flat sole.
Ahhh my boss at work does the same with his cycling stuff, such an expensive sport. He's just bought himself a BMC, it's beautiful but damn it was expensive!

Sounds awesome man! I'm gonna buy myself some chucks I think, I've just been squatting in my running shoes as I find it comfortable, and I don't really have the extra money to spend! One day I will, and this thread has helped me a load with stuff so will see what I can get on offer maybe!
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Questions;

1. Can you wear a pair of classic Vans as opposed to chucks, as the sole isn't too disimilair?

2. Does anybody else use sleeves? WHy? What do you feel are the benefits?

3. Belts. I currently borrow my gyms belt, just a standard RDX leather regular gym belt, and it helps sometimes. But I'm curious about Lever belts for my heavier sets... What are the pros and cons of a lever belt over a normal? Why choose that instead? Is it just convenience and a bigger budget?
1. A flat sole is most desirable for squatting. If the shoe has a flat sole, go for it. I wore a pair of slip-on boat shoes for a year until I blew them out.

2. I use elbow sleeves when I have tendinitis acting up and I need to train through it. It helps keep the joint warm and the tendons compressed. I almost always use knee sleeves because they keep the joint warm. Any extra warmth I can get is a plus for joint health.

3. I dislike the belts that are tapered. I prefer a belt that is the same size all the way around, so I can really brace against it. I have never used a lever belt, so I can't comment there. If you are looking for a decent belt, you can find a two prong generic brand on amazon for about $50. Spud also makes great flexible belts that secure with velcro.
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