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Old 07-09-2013, 10:54 AM   #1
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A friend of mine made a post if facebook on how he was not going have any "dirty" food /cheat meals or refeeds for 7 months. Which i guess is a good challenge to try if you were in a surplus.My issue was this is far from optimal for fatloss while retaining lean mass. He is a natural and has no extra hormonal assistance. So i tried to explain to him that depreiving himself of carbs for an extended period of time is going to turn his body against him when his GH, Leptin and IGF-1 and glycogen stores become essentially barren. I explained your body wants to retain a certain level of fat and starts using lean muscle instead and explained how cheat meals and refeeds benfit you on a cut. He refuted it and said refeeds/cheats will only hurt your fatloss goals. So i linked a ton of info from very reputable sources( dr Serrano, Norton, Aragon for example) i am sure he didnt even look at the data, but he retorted with that's for bodybuilders only. I replied with If its " for bodybuilders only" then a bodybuilders goal is to be as optimal as possible, how would that not apply to everyone trying to reach ideal performance and physique? he said i had no idea what i was talking about so i gave up.

Its really frustrating.
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Old 07-09-2013, 11:00 AM   #2
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Diets like that aren't sustainable. Sometimes people need to fail to understand.
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Old 07-09-2013, 11:11 AM   #3
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It's almost impossible to change dogma with reason and logic.

I agree with everyone else here - dude's gonna fail and learn a valuable lesson in the process.
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I tried also explaining its not a suffering contest either, just because you made myself suffer more wont mean you get the optimal results in the end..
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I tried also explaining its not a suffering contest either, just because you made myself suffer more wont mean you get the optimal results in the end..
Hahah good point. It's like women who resolve to have drug free childbirth. It doesn't get you a Mother of the Year badge and either way you still end up with a baby. You're just making yourself suffer for nothing.
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Reminds of a guy I work with, he's doing 6pack shotcuts....

he's working hard, and getting skinnier. and absolutely miserable.

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I tried also explaining its not a suffering contest either, just because you made myself suffer more wont mean you get the optimal results in the end..
Excellent point. But that's the result of being continually hammered with the message that 'it's all down to hard work' from when we're in the cot. Pretty soon, you start believing that effort and suffering must inevitably lead to success. it's the Calvinist work ethic gone mad.
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I tried also explaining its not a suffering contest either, just because you made myself suffer more wont mean you get the optimal results in the end..
He should join the Army. They strongly believe that physical training is a suffering contest, and the more it hurts the better it works. Hence the fact that lots of soldiers are weak and injured.
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