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Old 06-02-2013, 11:25 PM   #1
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Cool ? about the 225 Challenge & Hi-Reps

The 225 Pound Squat for Maximum Reps Challenge got me to wondering.

I knew a fellow at the Gym, a former Army Ranger, who set himself the goal of doing 225 x 50 in the Full-Squat.

{He weighed maybe 205...}

I don't remember if he ever reached his self appointed goal.

I also read where Arnold in his 40's got into 225 Pound 50 Rep Squats.

Lets suppose that someone with good potential for high Rep Squats built the bulk of his Leg Routine around working for 50 Rep Squats.

It might take 3 or 4 months or more to attain 225 X 50.

Take him forever to get anywhere with 5 Pound increases.

So the next workout after finally attaining 50 Reps, add 30 Pounds.

I doubt the Reps would drop much below 30, certainly no lower than 20.

Now he starts diligently pursuing 50 Reps once more.

255 X 50

This time only add 25 Pounds.

Maybe six months later:

280 X 50.

Add 20; then 15 then a couple 10's.

When the day comes that our Hypothetical Lifter can do 325 or 335 X 50...

What kind of Low Rep Power and Quad Development would we expect to see?

Something like Tom Platz or Maybe Paul Anderson?

I don't remember exactly, I got something like 375 or 385 X 20, back in my 30's.

Looking back, I had Weak Hamstrings, Weak Low Back and Indifferent Quads.

I'd never heard the term "Quad-Dominant" back then, but I think I may have invented it.

I think that with the proper Assistance Work for Hamstrings and Low Back and more attention to diet that Maybe I could have gotten 325 or 335 X 50, if I'd set my head to it.

But like I say, exactly where would that road take someone?


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Old 06-02-2013, 11:56 PM   #2
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If you got 385lbs x 20 reps, you didn't have anything weak in the chain, and you should have most of the answers to your questions already. I don't think anybody here does 50 rep squats on a regular basis, that would beat you down pretty fast, and it would take you more than a few months to build up to 225lbs; unless you are already a 500lb squatter with outstanding conditioning.
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When it comes to exercises and high reps, there are some I can do without form breaking down much - like dumbbell rows - and some where I get very sloppy. Squats are one of these.

I could hang with a German Volume Training protocol of 10x10 because it was easier to keep form on every rep. With 20 rep squats I tend to get sloppy around rep 14-15-16+. This is merely my experience, and I present it only as something to think about when doing high rep work.

If someone has the conditioning and discipline to get well beyond 20 rep squats then have at 'er. I personally would recommend some form of rest-pause work instead if someone had come to me wanting to push the boundaries.
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The 225 Pound Squat for Maximum Reps Challenge got me to wondering.

I knew a fellow at the Gym, a former Army Ranger, who set himself the goal of doing 225 x 50 in the Full-Squat.

{He weighed maybe 205...}

I don't remember if he ever reached his self appointed goal.

I also read where Arnold in his 40's got into 225 Pound 50 Rep Squats.

Lets suppose that someone with good potential for high Rep Squats built the bulk of his Leg Routine around working for 50 Rep Squats.

It might take 3 or 4 months or more to attain 225 X 50.

Take him forever to get anywhere with 5 Pound increases.

So the next workout after finally attaining 50 Reps, add 30 Pounds.

I doubt the Reps would drop much below 30, certainly no lower than 20.

Now he starts diligently pursuing 50 Reps once more.

255 X 50

This time only add 25 Pounds.

Maybe six months later:

280 X 50.

Add 20; then 15 then a couple 10's.

When the day comes that our Hypothetical Lifter can do 325 or 335 X 50...

What kind of Low Rep Power and Quad Development would we expect to see?

Something like Tom Platz or Maybe Paul Anderson?

I don't remember exactly, I got something like 375 or 385 X 20, back in my 30's.

Looking back, I had Weak Hamstrings, Weak Low Back and Indifferent Quads.

I'd never heard the term "Quad-Dominant" back then, but I think I may have invented it.

I think that with the proper Assistance Work for Hamstrings and Low Back and more attention to diet that Maybe I could have gotten 325 or 335 X 50, if I'd set my head to it.

But like I say, exactly where would that road take someone?


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After completing my goal of 225# x 20 w/ squats I figured I would move up to 245# and repeat....it did not work out well. I had actully gotten weaker at heavier wts. Endurance and mental toughness were better, but I could not handle the wt I was handling prior to obtaining that goal.

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If someone focused all their squat work on high reps and got to the point where they could do 335x50, they'd probably get pinned by 405. However, they'd probably have amazing leg development if they were eating enough and recovering.

I used to finish my heavy squat sessions by leaving 135 on the bar and repping out. I did 20 at first, but kept adding more reps every workout until I got 50 a couple months later. But it wasn't 50 reps straight, without stopping. I would pound out a few then rest, and that bar got heavy as hell on my back after about 35 reps. I thought my spine was going to crack, but I got the 50. The lower back pump was insane.
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Ive done 135x50. Fuk'n brutal.
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I can confidently say that I will never, ever squat for 50 reps. Or deadlift.

Bench... maybe. Overhead press, even. Curls, certainly. Et cetera.

But for those who opt for that kind of thing? More power to them! May their nightmarish fetishes bring them all kiiinds of gains.
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Not with that attitude you won't!!!
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Not with that attitude you won't!!!
No, you don't understand. I have no desire to do so. Preference, not attitude. My attitude to squats is "come get me", pretty much.

Squatting heavy appeals to me. Squatting that many times all in one go? Not so much. This will not hold back my squat progress a single pound: I will bet on that, if need be.

Everyone has things they'll likely never do. This is one of those, for me. That's all!

And as I kinda said, all the best to those who like this kind of thing. I also agree that for muscle building, it might prove useful. Or not. I actually have no idea, lol.
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