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Old 03-27-2013, 09:42 PM   #1
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The dramatic decline of the modern man - Salon.com

Basically, we're all wimps.
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:48 PM   #2
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Interesting article, and probably not too far off. Women aren't quite as feminine as they used to be either.
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Old 03-27-2013, 10:41 PM   #3
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it's interesting to consider, but i'd like to see some of those claims backed up. like the one where we were once able to run long distances at the same speed as Olympic sprinters. also, he says: "In the case of the jaw, for example, it may have had something to do with allowing more space in the brain cavity. But I think it’s more to do with our move from the forest onto the savannah"

Well, our move from the forest to the savannah eventually resulted in us eating meat, and supposedly it was meat eating that contributed to our bigger brains. And chimpanzees may have more strength/power, but they have way less finer touch than we do and much less control over their strength.

Also, I question how accurately he can calculate the speed of Ancient Greek rowers... But hey, if his book motivates men to get off the couch, then it's a good book haha

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it's interesting to consider, but i'd like to see some of those claims backed up. like the one where we were once able to run long distances at the same speed as Olympic sprinters. also, he says: "In the case of the jaw, for example, it may have had something to do with allowing more space in the brain cavity. But I think itís more to do with our move from the forest onto the savannah"

Well, our move from the forest to the savannah eventually resulted in us eating meat, and supposedly it was meat eating that contributed to our bigger brains.

Also, I question how accurately he can calculate the speed of Ancient Greek rowers...
If I had enough posts I'd put up a "look at the big brains on brett" clip from Pulp Fiction. Seriously though, I didn't really think of that.
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It's not just an issue of males getting weaker, I'm not sure that I buy into that since power lifting records still fall and men keep getting bigger and bigger with each generation. I think it's more of an issue with society in general. Liberal and [traditional] feminine qualities are glorified while traditionall masculine traits are frowned upon. Our kids are bombarded with messages of anti-gun, anti-bullying, anti-hunting, football is too dangerous, rodeo is animal cruelty, large trucks are bad for the environment, farming and ranching are poor career choices, eating meat is bad for you and unethical, and a host of other such nonsense. I personally blame the lack of male teachers in the younger student's education. It's no wonder that our male population is trending towards the female/liberal ideal. And far be it that we speak out against it or be labeled a Neanderthal.

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saw a tweet yesterday that summed OR up well.

"I am concerned about a world where our future leaders were never spanked as a child and were given trophies just for participating."
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"I am concerned about a world where our future leaders were never spanked as a child and were given trophies just for participating."
Oh wait, spanking is abusive. My parents abused the crap out of me. Maybe I should see a shrink about these issues.

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It's not just an issue of males getting weaker, I'm not sure that I buy into that since power lifting records still fall and men keep getting bigger and bigger with each generation. I think it's more of an issue with society in general. Liberal and [traditional] feminine qualities are glorified while traditionall masculine traits are frowned upon. Our kids are bombarded with messages of anti-gun, anti-bullying, anti-hunting, football is too dangerous, rodeo is animal cruelty, large trucks are bad for the environment, farming and ranching are poor career choices, eating meat is bad for you and unethical, and a host of other such nonsense. I personally blame the lack of male teachers in the younger student's education. It's no wonder that our male population is trending towards the female/liberal ideal. And far be it that we speak out against it or be labeled a Neanderthal.
But it's not really to do with teachers, is it? Surely that's pinning a massive societal shift on one small factor?

Over the last century, women have gradually been acquiring more political and economic power, so it's not surprising that societal mores are starting to reflect this. I don't think we're in any position to complain - men have had their day in the sun for a very very long time. For centuries, men have dictated what the desirable qualities and values should be. It was never going to last forever. Another way of looking at this is to say it's about time the other half of the human race got a hand on the rudder.

I have mixed feelings about the shift. In some ways, I welcome it. I'm stereotyping here, but women are often more pragmatic, less selfish, less prone to doing stupid shit just to prove they're heroes, more willing to compromise. These can be good qualities in governance for example. Men are obsessed with the romantic ideal of Doing Their Own Thing and F**k Everyone Else. This may not be such a great way of going about things on a planet shared with seven billion other humans.

I think it's a bit rich to cast anyone speaking out about it as some sort of victim. C'mon OR, really? When the default insults for many Americans include:

'douchebag'
'whining about it like a little girl'
'pussy'
'bitch'
'fag'

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The very language spoken (and in the UK too) explicitly links femininity/lack of masculinity/homosexuallity with everything that sucks (so to speak). I don't think there's any danger of being in a persecuted minority just yet
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Incidentally, it occurs to me that there's part of The Iliad where Homer complains about today's men not being a shadow of the men that once walked the earth.

This is relevant given that The Iliad is one of the earliest pieces of literature still surviving. If memory serves it was written about 800 BC. So nearly 3000 years ago, men were already complaining that men are no longer as good as they used to be.

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Up until, either WWI or WWII, I can't recall which, blue was a girl's colour with pink being associated with men, then there was a shift; but if you were to see a guy in pink, nowdays, they'd still get no end of ribbing...it's one of the reasons that I can't stand stereotypical rubbish which really isn't based on anything sensible but merely on a preconception or a forced view , that the public normally just accepts without question, and all because someone wants to make a name for themselves.

Men and women have certain biological differences (hormone ratios, skin thickness, strength, bodyfat levels etc) and that's where it ends, IMO.
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