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Old 07-09-2012, 04:24 PM   #31
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Erm...hi guys


Just wanted to add, that the technique the writer is employing is a very well-known usage of NLP in which several factual statements precede an argument the author wishes to highlight; and because statement A, statement B, and Statement C (and possibly a Statement D) are all factual and correct, the reader is more inclined to just accept the latter argument/s being put forth by the author.



That probably doesn't mean much to anyone but, nevertheless, it's an important point.
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Old 07-09-2012, 04:38 PM   #32
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All I know is this 48 year old with a surgically repaired back will never squat 660 lbs raw, baked or grilled. I can accept my pussy status, I have even worn a pink button down. While I may not be able to lift more than the author, I can strive to not whine about what I or others can't do and focus on becoming a bigger, better stronger version of me!
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Old 07-09-2012, 04:41 PM   #33
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There is a true concern we are weakening. Whether we need to be concerned is another story, but at any rate we are in a cultural transition.
There's no way of knowing for sure, but it seems to me that the writer is not merely expressing that feeling, he's exploiting it quite cynically.

I do understand what you're saying about the eroding of manual skills. I agree that in the event of a Robinson Crusoe scenario, the average male is pitifully equipped to survive compared to his grandfather. But then you have to balance that against the increasing technological skills and adaptability of our own generation. So I think one set of skills is being replaced with another. Each generation develops the skills it requires for the demands of the marketplace: the current demand is for technological skills and the ability to keep learning.

And it's worth considering that the feeling that we aren't as good or worthy as our forebears isn't peculiar to our generation. In the opening pages of The Iliad (if memory serves, it might be The Odyssey) Homer complains that men today are weak and lacking in valour compared to their ancestors. So 2800 years ago, we had exactly the same concerns.
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It's the damned rock-n-roll!
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Old 07-09-2012, 07:52 PM   #35
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Old 07-10-2012, 12:19 AM   #36
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I guess I'm in the minority who agree with the author of the quoted article. I look at my fellow Americans and shake my head in disgust, including 99% of "men" in the various gyms I have frequented. They become passionate about some bullshit game of <insert team sport that I couldn't care less about>, living vicariously through the players on "his team", while being a weak, fat schmuck, glued to the couch, watching said sport. They also don't give a shit about real issues affecting their lives, like our Constitution constantly being eroded by our local and federal government, and a cartel of private bankers, i.e. Federal Reserve, destroying our currency and economy. These slugs also want to watch wars in their comfortable living room, on a big-screen TV, safe from the bullets and bombs, acting like wannabe Rambo tough-guys who are really just chicken-hawks and armchair-warriors.

This video comes to mind:
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Old 07-10-2012, 01:03 AM   #37
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Couldn't have said it better DW. Right there with you.
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Old 07-10-2012, 02:32 AM   #38
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They also don't give a shit about real issues affecting their lives, like our Constitution constantly being eroded by our local and federal government
The same government who put out advertising and promotional campaigns by pulling on the same heart strings as the author of the article we are discussing.

This is the problem, all of these hucksters, whether it's your government trying to get you to vote, or this author trying to get gain readers are doing exactly the same thing. They are endearing you to their cause by talking about issues you feel passionately about. You say you're in the minority because you agree? I'm certainly not disagreeing with what you or Steve have said, what I want is for you to adopt a slightly more cynical viewpoint of people like the author who try and USE the issues which are close to your heart, your very patriotism, to sell whatever gimmick they are peddling. In this case it is to gain more readers.

He doesn't give a **** about your issues DW, and neither do the politicians who you dislike and neither does every advertising campaign you get stifled with every day designed to get you to buy stuff you don't need by appealing to whatever issue is in the public minds at the moment.

If you feel passionate about the emasculation of men, they you fight for it and talk about it wherever you can. But don't for one second think, that anyone with something to sell or gain will actually care about your fight. They are USING your issues for their own gain.

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Old 07-10-2012, 04:43 AM   #39
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I agree most heartily with BtB's and DW's sentiments. They are similar to my views on the matter as well.

At the same time, Fazc has a good point. Like Steve stated earlier, I am not impressed with the lack of actual pressing in the article.

Best way to get good at something is to do it. Often. With heavy weights.
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I forgot to mention the trend of benching instead of pressing whilst standing. It's comparable to lying on your back, like a woman waiting to get f*cked, rather than putting the bar overhead while erect, like a man doing the f*cking. Sorry for being crass, but this proves the author's point regarding the emasculated male, specifically in the gym.
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