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Old 04-11-2012, 05:03 PM   #21
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Old 04-11-2012, 05:07 PM   #22
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Throw them all shanks and they can drink their home-made alcohol and rape each other all day long, as long as they are separated from society.
Jeez Tank. Surely you know this is a little irrational. What's brought this on?
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Years ago they had yard on a more frequent basis and their meals were very calorie dense. combine that with training arms everyday and viola! 20 inch guns and chicken legs...lol
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Jeez Tank. Surely you know this is a little irrational. What's brought this on?
Rational discussion was continually ineffective, so I tried a harsh illustration in contrast.
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Improper convictions are *mostly* a thing of the past.
I can't see how this can be verified. How can we ever know what proportion of convictions are wrongful?

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I wouldn't dispute that technology has improved the likelihood of getting it right. At the same time, I think it would be naive to place too much trust in technology.

In fact, there's a worrying aspect to it. Jurors are largely, in my view, poorly equipped to judge the quality of scientific evidence. This may sound arrogant, but I don't think the standard of scientific literacy is very high. Jurors tend to be uncritical about prosecution evidence that sounds sciencey, in the same way they are uncritical about eye-witness testimony (which we now know is often less reliable than it might appear).
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I can't see how this can be verified. How can we ever know what proportion of convictions are wrongful?



I wouldn't dispute that technology has improved the likelihood of getting it right. At the same time, I think it would be naive to place too much trust in technology.

In fact, there's a worrying aspect to it. Jurors are largely, in my view, poorly equipped to judge the quality of scientific evidence. This may sound arrogant, but I don't think the standard of scientific literacy is very high. Jurors tend to be uncritical about prosecution evidence that sounds sciencey, in the same way they are uncritical about eye-witness testimony (which we now know is often less reliable than it might appear).
THIS ^^^ is the more important issue, not what they do behind bars, it's making sure the right people are behind bars.

My literal, unexaggerated solution would be for inmates to provide public services, so in regards to the original post, no they shouldn't be allowed to work out in gyms. But only because, like Trevor said, inmates shouldn't have the energy by days end to lift weights. Again, though, they're amenities are secondary, IMO.
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I'd like too know how some of them get so big without proper nutrition like protein and such(genetics probably). I went to school with this kid who was a bully, started smoking and drinking at the age of 10, which continued through adulthood until he finally went to prison when he was 30 for 2 or 3 years and came out with dam near 20" arms! WTF??? Makes me wonder if I should even waste my money on protein powders and stuff...even though they do have benifits.
You've got your own answer.

It's unlikely that criminals have got favourable genetics for putting muscle on, which leaves you with the possibility that high quality nutrition, or at least supplementation, isn't necessary to pack on considerable size, Just a calorific excess, perhaps.

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THIS ^^^ is the more important issue, not what they do behind bars, it's making sure the right people are behind bars.
Yes, but Tank, you have to bear in mind that most of these people are eventually going to be released back into society. So it's a crucial question what happens inside, and what effect it has on them.

For example, one view might be that the prison environment doesn't do anything to violent offenders - they were violent when they went in there, and there going to be just as bad if they have horrible conditions when they come out. If you take this line, then harsh conditions would make more sense, because if prison is too pleasant then it's a viable alternative to living back in society.

On the other hand, if you take the view that a dehumanising environment just makes bad people even worse, then it would be more sensible to do your best to make prisons humane. That way you turn out people who at least aren't any worse then when they went in there.

It's not, imo, a simple debate by any means.
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Yes, but Tank, you have to bear in mind that most of these people are eventually going to be released back into society. So it's a crucial question what happens inside, and what effect it has on them.

For example, one view might be that the prison environment doesn't do anything to violent offenders - they were violent when they went in there, and there going to be just as bad if they have horrible conditions when they come out. If you take this line, then harsh conditions would make more sense, because if prison is too pleasant then it's a viable alternative to living back in society.

On the other hand, if you take the view that a dehumanising environment just makes bad people even worse, then it would be more sensible to do your best to make prisons humane. That way you turn out people who at least aren't any worse then when they went in there.

It's not, imo, a simple debate by any means.
If you reduced wrongful incarcerations, theoretically you'd be left with criminals that deserve their fate. Then you would be in a position to consider their rehabilitation, not before. It's just my opinion that we spend too much time already concerning ourselves with the rights and amenities of inmates rather than accurate convictions and rehabilitation.
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My cousin works at a prison and he said that they eat way better than a lot of Americans which is a bunch of bull.
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