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Old 12-16-2011, 03:40 PM   #41
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Yes, that certainly infuriates me as well. Why should I grind myself into the dirt paying for someone's leisure? But in any system, there will be some freeloaders - just a price that has to be paid. The alternative, in my view, is a ghastly, heartless system.
And to me, the crux of the current American debate hinges upon the fact the those very few with tons of income who pay next to nothing in taxes have convinced many hard-working people that those less fortunate or in worse situations are the problem, rather than the problem being the overall system which protects the wealthy.

If everyone were paying their proportionate share, this debate disappears.

But, yes, paying 25% in taxes and hearing people talk about social programs is a much easier argument to make than demonstrating the math that if the wealthy paid a more fair share, most middle class people would be able to pay LESS in taxes.

But since most of our political leaders are rich, guess why there is never a real solution?

As this guy says, it's a Mathematical Fact:

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Old 12-16-2011, 05:58 PM   #42
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Old 12-16-2011, 07:35 PM   #44
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I had to watch the first one through twice, because I honestly thought it was a parody. We have a newspaper equivalent over here called the Daily Mail. Weirdly, it's not owned by Rupert Murdoch.

I was going to watch the Glenn Beck vid but my Rabbiguard anti-virus software blocked it.
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“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.”
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“A wise and frugal government … shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.”
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“The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If ‘Thou shalt not covet’ and ‘Thou shalt not steal’ were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.”
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