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Old 11-03-2011, 11:01 AM   #1
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With all the different forms of weight routines, varing styles, cadences, rep ranges, KB v BB, differing goals, and so forth...

...the most highly contested part of any exercise plan which really riles lots of people up and sometimes to breaking point seems to be the debate between LIT and HIIT (as noted on other forums )
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Old 11-03-2011, 11:02 AM   #2
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Can you explain in a nut shell why this is such a hot topic?
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Old 11-03-2011, 11:05 AM   #3
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Can you explain in a nut shell why this is such a hot topic?
No idea...there just seems to be two completely split camps on the subject, many of which tend to ferociously adhere to their point of view without giving any ground to the other form of training. So much so, that I tend to generally avoid threads of that nature, these days.
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Old 11-03-2011, 11:06 AM   #4
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With all the different forms of weight routines, varing styles, cadences, rep ranges, KB v BB, differing goals, and so forth...

...the most highly contested part of any exercise plan which really riles lots of people up and sometimes to breaking point seems to be the debate between LIT and HIIT (as noted on other forums )
This subject has become an obsession for some, no offense meant. Personally I feel it's an interesting topic, but I do not feel it's very important for the average gym rat/recreational lifter.

For folks just trying to get healthy, eat better, look better and get in shape I think it is far more important to find a form of cardio they enjoy. Life is too short to obsess.

Precision is great when precision is needed. Just my 2 cents. I have my flame retardant pants on.

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Old 11-03-2011, 11:12 AM   #5
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This subject has become an obsession for some, no offense meant. Personally I feel it's an interesting topic, but I do not feel it's very important for the average gym rat/recreational lifter.

For folks just trying to get healthy, eat better, look better and get in shape I think it is far more important to find a form of cardio they enjoy. Life is too short to obsess.

Precision is great when precision is needed. Just my 2 cents. I have my flame retardant pants on.
Yep, I would agree.

There is also a time and an application for each style; illness means LIT variants would suit a person whereas HIIT "zealots" would still be advocating the sick person should do HIIT...no rhyme or reason to that.

I think if you like the style/mix you're doing and it's doing you no harm, then that's perfect and works; and let's be honest, as you mention already, most of us (95%) are only after a bit more fitness anyway making the variant choice even less important, as long as it's done.
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Old 11-03-2011, 11:17 AM   #6
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Not to take this down a rabbit trail, but I think it's part of a bigger problem in this industry...practices and protocols that are required for advanced bodybuilders and powerlifters to be successful are often placed upon recreational lifters when they aren't needed at all.

Such is the nature of "parroting".

Most people simply need persistence, balance and a wise meal plan more than anything.
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Since we are on the subject, it's not uncommon to see novices counting macros and worrying 10 times more about precise nutrition than they do about precise training.

While nutrition is percentaged out, based on BMI, etc., workouts are often randomly assembled as if picking from a buffet, the most effective exercises are often set to the side, and in general the structure is a house of cards.

Everyone seems to know how to count and portion macros and calories for maximum growth, all the while they are still squatting the same weight they were 3 years ago. No offense meant, of course. My point is that the importance of persistence and hard work on the basics is extremely understated.
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Old 11-03-2011, 11:37 AM   #8
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Since we are on the subject, it's not uncommon to see novices counting macros and worrying 10 times more about precise nutrition than they do about precise training.

While nutrition is percentaged out, based on BMI, etc., workouts are often randomly assembled as if picking from a buffet, the most effective exercises are often set to the side, and in general the structure is a house of cards.

Everyone seems to know how to count and portion macros and calories for maximum growth, all the while they are still squatting the same weight they were 3 years ago. No offense meant, of course. My point is that the importance of persistence and hard work on the basics is extremely understated.
Yep, I agree; when I started with weights, I did nothing more than eat...anything...yet my training was 3 times a week and structured. It worked and worked really well.


Sometimes newcomers are steered that route immediately because another "well-meaning" member of a forum's first question to them is "How's your diet?" and then we see people that are so confused as to how to go about working all the macros out, that they just give up training as well...better to train consistently and worry about diet further down the line or just increase/decrease total food consumed which is easier, at least for a beginner and people that aren't prepping for show.

Go that route if they want, but don't make it the be all and end all because it won't work the muscles, only training can do that.




PS: I still just eat what I want
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Since we are on the subject, it's not uncommon to see novices counting macros and worrying 10 times more about precise nutrition than they do about precise training.

While nutrition is percentaged out, based on BMI, etc., workouts are often randomly assembled as if picking from a buffet, the most effective exercises are often set to the side, and in general the structure is a house of cards.

Everyone seems to know how to count and portion macros and calories for maximum growth, all the while they are still squatting the same weight they were 3 years ago. No offense meant, of course. My point is that the importance of persistence and hard work on the basics is extremely understated.
I resemble that remark.

Interesting conversation, hope it will be addressed even more fully in the upcoming Muscle and Brawn publication.
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Since we are on the subject, it's not uncommon to see novices counting macros and worrying 10 times more about precise nutrition than they do about precise training.

While nutrition is percentaged out, based on BMI, etc., workouts are often randomly assembled as if picking from a buffet, the most effective exercises are often set to the side, and in general the structure is a house of cards.

Everyone seems to know how to count and portion macros and calories for maximum growth, all the while they are still squatting the same weight they were 3 years ago. No offense meant, of course. My point is that the importance of persistence and hard work on the basics is extremely understated.
Training and diet philosophy ADD are very common. I believe that its due to information being so available now. Think back 20 years ago, people did more basic routines and diets because of what magazines said. Now most gym rats can log in, find a hot new diet or exercise program, then move onto the next hot thing as soon as its written. Most new lifters start with no base, try to build a skyscraper, fail and cant understand why.
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