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Old 10-16-2011, 08:05 AM   #1
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TUESDAY or WEDNESDAY


THURSDAY or FRIDAY


Followed of course by Strongman training SATURDAY.
This is the routine I plan to adopt going forward. I am open to any suggestions
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Old 10-16-2011, 08:16 AM   #2
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I'd definitely switch Monday with Tuesday. You're far better off Snatching/Benching the day before you Deadlift/Front Squat.

Instead of the second Deadlift session, some Squats maybe?
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Old 10-16-2011, 08:20 AM   #3
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I'd definitely switch Monday with Tuesday. You're far better off Snatching/Benching the day before you Deadlift/Front Squat.

Instead of the second Deadlift session, some Squats maybe?
Man, I wish you hadn't said that! Is there a definite advantage to doing 2x squat sessions rather than 2x deadlifting sessions per week? I initially didn't want to do them twice per week either, but I ran out of ideas for back work... and I like deads more than squats

I also thought I was doing the right thing by structuring it so I had a good 3-4 days to recover from the Max Effort session monday...
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Deadlift w/Hexbar: 225 kgs (496 lbs)
Farmers walk: 240 kgs (530 lbs), 50 feet
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Old 10-16-2011, 09:38 AM   #4
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I guess it's just not the way I would structure things.

Can you only do events on Saturday or do you have the equipment available on the other days as well?

If you had access to at least limited equipment you could quite easily do a traditional upper/lower split 4 days per week. At least that's how I'd set it up.

Looking through your log there's far too much tricep pushdown, seated alternate hammer curls (really?!) and even in the new routine you got stuff like pulldowns etc and just not enough work on the big stuff. I think you're doing yourself a disservice by just doing 1-2 top set on most things. If you're training for an hour and a half then at least 45-60 minutes of that should be on the big exercises.

I know SM is about a variety of strength, but at the basic level you still do need to just get strong. That's going to come from a hell of a lot of work on the basics, so hell yeah you need to be squatting, twice a week till you're damn good at them. Just look at the progress Spart is making, something like that but designed for SM would be good.
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Old 10-16-2011, 09:44 AM   #5
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Can you only do events on Saturday or do you have the equipment available on the other days as well?.
No, I can really only train SM on saturdays.

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Looking through your log there's far too much tricep pushdown, seated alternate hammer curls (really?!) and even in the new routine you got stuff like pulldowns etc and just not enough work on the big stuff. I think you're doing yourself a disservice by just doing 1-2 top set on most things. If you're training for an hour and a half then at least 45-60 minutes of that should be on the big exercises.
Not true at all. I did seated alternating hammer curls for the first time in maybe a year, last week. I normally do pinwheels, once a fortnight. I similarly only do tri=push once per fortnight. The new routine requires doing these once per week, and I'd gladly drop the triceps work in favour of dips if I could dip my own bodyweight.

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I know SM is about a variety of strength, but at the basic level you still do need to just get strong. That's going to come from a hell of a lot of work on the basics. Just look at the progress Spart is making, something like that but designed for SM would be good.
I'm pretty familiar with Spart's training (I taught him how to bench) but will have another look see.
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Deadlift w/Barbell: 180 kgs (397 lbs)
Deadlift w/Hexbar: 225 kgs (496 lbs)
Farmers walk: 240 kgs (530 lbs), 50 feet
Front squat: 100 kgs (220 lbs)
Log clean-press: 100 kgs (220 lbs)
Strict OHP: 85 kgs (187 lbs) 3 reps
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Old 10-16-2011, 09:51 AM   #6
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Old 10-16-2011, 10:00 AM   #7
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I'm not sure what brought about the angry retort, but I am not trying to waste your time. I was clarifying your assumption regarding my biceps training.

One of the reasons I like body part splits is because they allow for more variation in exercises. Having said that, I am happy to reduce the volume of some exercises and increase the volume of others.

The guns still deserve my attention occasionally, don't they?
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Deadlift w/Hexbar: 225 kgs (496 lbs)
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Old 10-16-2011, 10:14 AM   #8
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Good. More volume on the stuff that matters, is what I'm getting at.

Spart's been following a 4 way power split I've used with myself and a few other guys. He's on week 4-5 and continually making progress, he's just beaten his old Bench record quite comfortably and his form is feeling more secure on Deadlifts. The fact that he's progressing with such a high level of volume will allow him to *peak* his strength all the better. The idea, at least at the beginning, is to do a hell of a lot of volume on the main lifts. That gets you stronger, quickly and comfortable with the exercises.

EDIT - This is something I see a lot throughout with beginners that come through the 'strength' route. A complete lack of volume in the build up phases. They will typically have decent deadiifts, medicore squats but poor pressing and that pretty much stays the same untill they learn how to put the volume in. For all the good that McRobert/Hardgainer/HIT and whatever else did they did a complete disservice by preaching abbreviated routines right from the off to beginners.

When I see routines doing 1 top set of Deadlifts once a week, 1 top set of Benches I can't see how that is going to work long-term, it's soft training to me. You will probably see some minor improvement as your body peaks to show it's strength with such low volume but you'll get stuck fast.

You need to be putting the time in on the basics to get the results you want. Like I said at least 45 minutes of a 90 minute session should be devoted purely to doing set after set of the basic lifts. To that end, there needs to be much more space in your routine for a considerable amount of volume on the lifts you want to improve on.

I'm not angry while typing this, but you asked a question and I've followed your log long enough to care about your progress. Within the years you've been lifting and the bodyweight that you are I'd expect your ceiling of strength to be much higher but you're slowing yourself down with these routines.

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Abs...just found out the reason I was confused the other day. I didn't know there were images under the day listings. My browser is not displaying tiff format for some reason.

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oh can't you see my templates? Bugger. I will need to swap them out for jpgs tomorrow.
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Bench press: 135 kgs (298 lbs) - 1st PL meet 16th October 2011
Deadlift w/Barbell: 180 kgs (397 lbs)
Deadlift w/Hexbar: 225 kgs (496 lbs)
Farmers walk: 240 kgs (530 lbs), 50 feet
Front squat: 100 kgs (220 lbs)
Log clean-press: 100 kgs (220 lbs)
Strict OHP: 85 kgs (187 lbs) 3 reps
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