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Old 05-25-2011, 02:35 PM   #11
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Veggies gives you cancer. I knew it!

Bacon is not on that list.
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But doesn't bacon have nitrates or nitrites? Those are on the list...
bacon has nitrates, fats, and protein....fail.
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The beta-carotene one is an interesting one and it highlights how proper science works.

Beta-carotene has been sold as a food supplement for years, and it looked like a promising cancer preventative. Two massive studies were carried out - from recollection, one in Finland (?), one based in Boston. At least one, and I think both, had to be abandoned. The reason? The beta-carotene supplemented groups were showing significantly increased rates of cancer compared to the controls, so it was unethical to continue. And these weren't huge mega-doses of beta-carotene either.

I don't want to comment negatively on supplements on here, I'll just say that I stopped taking vitamin/antioxidant formulas years ago.
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Thanks BTB, I'm just something of a bore on the subject. Specifically on the topic of vitamins and antioxidants, though, I really think the science does not stack up for these. I trust the Cochrane Institute as a review body, and this is what they had to say (quote is from The Guardian, 2008):

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The review, by the Cochrane Collaboration which regularly pools data from trials to evaluate drugs and treatments, found supplements vitamin A, vitamin E and beta-carotene are detrimental to health. In 47 trials with 180,938 people and a low risk of bias, the "antioxidant supplements significantly increased mortality", the authors wrote. When the antioxidants were assessed separately and low risk of bias trials were included and selenium excluded, vitamin A was linked to a 16% increased risk of dying, beta-carotene to a 7% increased risk and vitamin E to a 4% increased risk.

Evidence for vitamin C and selenium was more equivocal, suggesting there was no benefit to taking these pills compared with a placebo.

"The bottom line is current evidence does not support the use of antioxidant supplements in the general healthy population or in patients with certain diseases," said Goran Bjelakovic, who performed the review at Copenhagen Universityhospital in Denmark. "There was no indication that vitamin C and selenium may have positive or negative effects. So regarding these we need more data from randomised trials."

All the supplements are categorised as antioxidants; research has suggested these chemicals underlie some of the beneficial effects of eating fruit and vegetables because they soak up harmful byproducts of metabolism which can damage cells and cause aging.

While the evidence of a beneficial effect of a diet rich in fruit and veg is solid, the Cochrane data suggest antioxidant supplements are either useless or detrimental.

Bjelakovic's team evaluated 67 randomised clinical trials with 232,550 subjects; 21 of the trials were on healthy subjects, while the rest tested patients with a range of diseases. The evidence suggests it would be safer to obtain the chemicals not as supplements but by eating plenty of fruit and vegetables.
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