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Old 01-15-2011, 08:45 AM   #21
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I have a mental block about not doing direct hamstring work, and this is one of the mechanisms of older workouts that took me a while to process. Many didn't have direct hamstring work and I often felt I had to squeeze it in somewhere.

Do your hammies get sore from squatting?

This is actually one of the topics I want to discuss in the MAB Sand Box.
Glutes DEFINITELY, Hammies, yes I think so, but then i normally work them directly on the same day, but I think i remember getting 'slightly' sore hammies when i have squatted with no Ham work. just seems strange to neglect a body part. i suppose as long as i am going deep enough the hammies will still get hit, plus when I start to advance to the intermediate i can add hammies in then

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Glutes DEFINITELY, Hammies, yes I think so, but then i normally work them directly on the same day, but I think i remember getting 'slightly' sore hammies when i have squatted with no Ham work. just seems strange to neglect a body part. i suppose as long as i am going deep enough the hammies will still get hit, plus when I start to advance to the intermediate i can add hammies in then

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Well, I am slowly turning on this issue. Fullbody workouts are a different mindset than splits. Splits in essence preach that if you don't do direct work for every bodypart it won't grow, or will shrink.

I have never performed direct hamstring work, done very little calf work, and don't do much bicep work. I also don't currently do any direct tricep work. Until recently I never did abs either. These are actually very strong areas for me.

I don't think you need to saturate every muscle group to make good progress. That's one of the "Jedi mind tricks" involved with making the switch over to a fullbody.

With that said, I personally would alternate calves and hamstring work every other workout if I did the Reeves. I work in leg curls right now into my fullbody.

I don't want to sound confusing with my conflicting advice. It's just that far too much emphasis is placed on smaller muscle groups in general in splits, when if fact, a hardcore volume for these parts may or may not needed - depending on the individual, and strength and weaknesses.

For example, people add reverse flyes for rear delts. I am of the strong opinion that that aren't anywhere near as effective for rear delts as heavy row work.

I think you are safe squatting 3x a week and not doing any direct hamstring work. I have weak hammies and feel squats in my hammies quite a bit. Some guys, like you, don't. But I don't think you will regress with hamstring mass. If anything the taxing format of squats 3x a week will help.

But could you add it in? Sure. I love big legs, and want to maximize hamstrings as much as possible. So If I were to do it I would alternate calf/hamstring work.
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Thats a great idea to alternate calf and hammies as i have naturally large calves anyway (wellnot large, but largish ), they also tend to grow with little or no direct work. For instance i put 1/2 inch on them in 6-8 weeks with only hitting them about once per fortinght for 3 sets...

I think i will run it as is for at least 2-3 weeks then add the hammies in, in replacement for calves every other week. Thanks again for the stella advice Steve

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Thanks again guys... real helpfull stuff.

@ strkout35... how long have you ran the full body routines for and how did you like them ?

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I ran starting strength for roughly 4-5 months recently and made great progress, I loved it. I've been on the reeves classic program for a little over a month now and I'm already seeing decent progress on that too
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Well, I am slowly turning on this issue. Fullbody workouts are a different mindset than splits. Splits in essence preach that if you don't do direct work for every bodypart it won't grow, or will shrink.

I have never performed direct hamstring work, done very little calf work, and don't do much bicep work. I also don't currently do any direct tricep work. Until recently I never did abs either. These are actually very strong areas for me.

I don't think you need to saturate every muscle group to make good progress. That's one of the "Jedi mind tricks" involved with making the switch over to a fullbody.

With that said, I personally would alternate calves and hamstring work every other workout if I did the Reeves. I work in leg curls right now into my fullbody.

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I think you are safe squatting 3x a week and not doing any direct hamstring work. I have weak hammies and feel squats in my hammies quite a bit. Some guys, like you, don't. But I don't think you will regress with hamstring mass. If anything the taxing format of squats 3x a week will help.

But could you add it in? Sure. I love big legs, and want to maximize hamstrings as much as possible. So If I were to do it I would alternate calf/hamstring work.
i just asked a question about this in my steve reeves question thread guess i should have read here first
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