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Old 01-14-2011, 09:33 AM   #11
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Why the Reeves?

The Reeves Classic is a nicely balanced program that hits your body with mainly compound moves. The exception is the calf raises, and the BB curls. However even those two moves are important as they contribute to keeping other aspects of the whole chain strong, and overall physique balance.

This program address's both of the things you mentioned, strength and aesthetics. The variable rep scheme can actually be changed to address areas that you may want to hit from a more strength oriented aspect.

This program is challenging, but you should be able to work into it with little trouble if you walk into it, as opposed to jumping into it. You will still be getting in solid work as you ramp up to full speed.

Transitioning into the intermediate version will be the goal over a period of between 3-6 months, depending entirely on your own abilites.

As Steve mentioned, your current lift totals are good, and you did not get there without some hard work. You will find the Classic version lots of work, but that is just a primer to get into the intermediate program.

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I think the calculator had me at about 15%, but dont know how acurate that is... Trouble with the calulators is I have it all around the mid section, nothing really on limbs at all...

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Height: 5'6.5" (166cm)
Weight: 180.5lbs (82kg)

~15%...give or take.

For sake of discussion your lean body mass potential is right around 168.

--At 15% you were about 153 pounds...or 15 shy of LBM potential.
--At most, say the reading was wildly inaccurate and you were 18%, your LBM would have been 148 pounds.

So, it is safe to say your LBM was 148-153 at the time. At minimum, you still have 10 to 15 pounds of muscle to add which is substantial. Factor in muscle memory, and you should see some very solid progress in 2011.
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Old 01-14-2011, 10:12 AM   #13
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thanks a lot guys... Another 10-15lbs of lean mass would be great and hugely change my physique i would immagine...

So the Reeves classic is the on here;

squat..........3x8-12
bb row........3x8-12....DL 3x5* see note
bhp............3x8-12
bench.........3x8-12
BB/DB curl...3x8-12
dips............5x10@BW Try for sets of 10, but do what you can.
BB calf raise 3x15-20
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just a couple of questions guys if thats OK..

Would i be able to sub regular o/h press for btn press as i screwed a shoulder up btn pressing before... ?

So i would do this for 3-6months then move to intermediate ?

When would i know it was time to move to intermediate ?

thanks again..

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thanks a lot guys... Another 10-15lbs of lean mass would be great and hugely change my physique i would immagine...

So the Reeves classic is the on here;

squat..........3x8-12
bb row........3x8-12....DL 3x5* see note
bhp............3x8-12
bench.........3x8-12
BB/DB curl...3x8-12
dips............5x10@BW Try for sets of 10, but do what you can.
BB calf raise 3x15-20
abs

Perform M-W-F

just a couple of questions guys if thats OK..

Would i be able to sub regular o/h press for btn press as i screwed a shoulder up btn pressing before... ?
Yes! Any type of OH pressing (BB, DB, BTN, regular, standing, seated) will all work
So i would do this for 3-6months then move to intermediate ?
yup, you'd slowly transition into it by adding in aspects slowly and working into it.
When would i know it was time to move to intermediate ?
GL can help you with this, he's the man. He'll let you know when the time is right
thanks again..

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just a couple of questions guys if thats OK..
Absolutely! The more the better.

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Would i be able to sub regular o/h press for btn press as i screwed a shoulder up btn pressing before... ?
Absolutely. Personally as long as you're doing some form of press...standing, seated, front, back, you are good to go.

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So i would do this for 3-6months then move to intermediate ?
Fullbody workouts are more of an evolution. So you might make some small changes as the weeks go by based on current needs.

With your experience I'm not sure you will need to run this longer than 3 months, but I will let GL comment on that. I'm not nearly as familiar with this workout as he is.

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When would i know it was time to move to intermediate ?
Again, I'll let GL field this one. I've not run this workout.

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thanks again..

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thanks a lot guys... Another 10-15lbs of lean mass would be great and hugely change my physique i would immagine...

So the Reeves classic is the on here;

squat..........3x8-12
bb row........3x8-12....DL 3x5* see note
bhp............3x8-12
bench.........3x8-12
BB/DB curl...3x8-12
dips............5x10@BW Try for sets of 10, but do what you can.
BB calf raise 3x15-20
abs

Perform M-W-F

just a couple of questions guys if thats OK..

Would i be able to sub regular o/h press for btn press as i screwed a shoulder up btn pressing before... ?

Yes, that would not be a problem at all. You could also use DB's for the presses. There is an aspect to watch for with standard pressing to the front.
You will be hitting your anterior delts heavily with two moves. I would consider using DB's for presses for this reason.



So i would do this for 3-6months then move to intermediate ?

I would do the basic classic program for at least a month as it is written, and see how your feeling. You can start to incorporate aspects of the intermediate as you feel able too for individual body parts. Again, you can step into the program at a gradual pace rather than jumping into full speed.

The full intermediate program is a lot of work to get done during a week.
Even the classic version is a lot of work if your really working honestly and pushing progression as you should be.
This program is very adaptable. You can use DB's in place of BB's for any of the moves you feel you want to use them for.

thanks again..

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All these are very solid suggestions and great layouts. My suggestion is:

I have learned everyone reacts different, take some time on each program, keep logs and then look to see what your body made the best gains on and then go for it.
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Thanks again guys... real helpfull stuff.

@ strkout35... how long have you ran the full body routines for and how did you like them ?

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One more question. Could I do SLDL intead of Squats on a Wednesday (either instead of DL's and keep BB Rows in there, or aswell as DL and still dop the rows) as the Hammies arent getting any direct work and squatting heavy 3 times per week seems insane lol...

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Edit: Dont worry Im just gonna do it as written for a month Why reinvent the wheel huh

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I have a mental block about not doing direct hamstring work, and this is one of the mechanisms of older workouts that took me a while to process. Many didn't have direct hamstring work and I often felt I had to squeeze it in somewhere.

Do your hammies get sore from squatting?

This is actually one of the topics I want to discuss in the MAB Sand Box.
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