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Old 02-07-2011, 08:23 PM   #31
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What I am liking is that it does allow more room to eat what I enjoy. I am not tracking the macros too closely, as I eat fairly low carb by habit. I watch my total calories. Since I do not start eating until after noon, by dinner time I usually have 1500 - 2000 calories to play with, this leaves lots of options.

I have tracked what I have eaten and found I average about 4-500 cals under my calculated TDEE. I think, by my experience now, that my maintenance numbers are actually closer to the 2500 then 3000. At any rate, my weight has stayed pretty steady, but I a getting leaner. We will see at the end of my 16 week transformation challenge.
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I used an unwitting version of Intermittent Fasting in 2001/02.

I say unwitting, because I had no idea what IM was at the time; I'd not heard of it, I simply did what worked for me.

My schedule was like this (times are all approximate):

8:30am: Woke, dressed and out the door, cycling to the gym (about 12-15 minutes ride, mostly uphill)
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10:30am: warmdown cycle home

Once home I would gorge myself on high protein foods like:
a double scoop whey matrix shake, a large tin of tuna, and/or if I had the time a 3 egg and cheese omelette (1 yolk) or a large piece of steak.

I would then shower and go to work for 12:00noon.

I did not eat again until the evening - usually a shake around 6:00pm and dinner a couple of hours later. Again, high protein foods with no attention paid to good nutrition. I only knew carbs and fats were not muscle building, and avoided them like the plague. Not smart.

As a result of this, I was able to shred fat effectively. If my calliper measurements were done properly, I tipped the scale at 94 kgs (207 lbs) on 5% body fat.

I was also perpetually tired, irritable and completely disinterested in anything other than my training...

I had what felt like heaps of energy first thing in the morning. But I was on auto pilot at this time of the day (higher brain function was limited) so it might have just been the conditioning. This high petered out rapidly.
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Old 02-07-2011, 09:30 PM   #33
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I used an unwitting version of Intermittent Fasting in 2001/02.

I say unwitting, because I had no idea what IM was at the time; I'd not heard of it, I simply did what worked for me.

My schedule was like this (times are all approximate):

8:30am: Woke, dressed and out the door, cycling to the gym (about 12-15 minutes ride, mostly uphill)
9:00am - 10:15am: Training
10:30am: warmdown cycle home

Once home I would gorge myself on high protein foods like:
a double scoop whey matrix shake, a large tin of tuna, and/or if I had the time a 3 egg and cheese omelette (1 yolk) or a large piece of steak.

I would then shower and go to work for 12:00noon.

I did not eat again until the evening - usually a shake around 6:00pm and dinner a couple of hours later. Again, high protein foods with no attention paid to good nutrition. I only knew carbs and fats were not muscle building, and avoided them like the plague. Not smart.

As a result of this, I was able to shred fat effectively. If my calliper measurements were done properly, I tipped the scale at 94 kgs (207 lbs) on 5% body fat.

I was also perpetually tired, irritable and completely disinterested in anything other than my training...

I had what felt like heaps of energy first thing in the morning. But I was on auto pilot at this time of the day (higher brain function was limited) so it might have just been the conditioning. This high petered out rapidly.
Whoa, Keto and IM at the same time. Keto is tough enough on its own. While I eat relatively low carb, I am making sure I get some carbs and fats. I am also making liberal use of BCAA. I drink X-Tend throughout the morning and pre-training. I have not experienced any of the negative symptoms you did.
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Anybody else eating IF style or Warrior Style? Lets talk about your experiences.
I'm still eating this way, but taking in protein during the day. Been eating this way for over 2 years. Was losing muscle without the daily protein, but now with it I am good to go.

I love this lifestyle. It suits my needs. I am a big night time eater.
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Whoa, Keto and IM at the same time. Keto is tough enough on its own. While I eat relatively low carb, I am making sure I get some carbs and fats. I am also making liberal use of BCAA. I drink X-Tend throughout the morning and pre-training. I have not experienced any of the negative symptoms you did.
That would be because you are doing it right. I did not.
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You should be careful changing diets and experimenting with new things so close before a meet. You feel more energy because is burning up more resources because your not supplying it with them and you just started. Once your body realized it is not going to get any additional resources it will shut down and have a catabolic effect, hench why this form of fasting is strategically placed.

Never the less the reason why so many diets work and fail interchangeably is because the body adapts differently based on your age, gender, activity level, genetics, life style and eating habits.

Might want to ask elliot hulse for his opinion (he is a strength coach and pro strongman) as he promotes this type of diet.


Personally I agree with DW. Safe the fasting for the bums and the Martyrs.lol
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You should be careful changing diets and experimenting with new things so close before a meet. You feel more energy because is burning up more resources because your not supplying it with them and you just started. Once your body realized it is not going to get any additional resources it will shut down and have a catabolic effect, hench why this form of fasting is strategically placed.

Never the less the reason why so many diets work and fail interchangeably is because the body adapts differently based on your age, gender, activity level, genetics, life style and eating habits.

Might want to ask elliot hulse for his opinion (he is a strength coach and pro strongman) as he promotes this type of diet.

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Personally I agree with DW. Safe the fasting for the bums and the Martyrs.lol
Slight revision, I take fasting as not eating, I think this thread just meant in 3-6hour intervals,even 9-12 hours is by my definitions isn't really what i would call fasting. My prior response is more so geared to a full on 24 hour fast.
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Nope. The body doesn't become catabolic until you've gone past 32 hours of fasting. Your muscle does not break down in a 16-20 hour fast.

You are still eating during the day, you are just not eating in the morning. The common misconception is that your body NEEDS to be fueled every 2-3 hours, which simply isn't true. Your body is still digesting your food from the previous day, most of the time.

I've been eating this way since I started this thread, and have had no strength or muscle loss whatsoever. I typically have nothing except cream in my coffee until about 3pm.
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Nope. The body doesn't become catabolic until you've gone past 32 hours of fasting. Your muscle does not break down in a 16-20 hour fast.

You are still eating during the day, you are just not eating in the morning. The common misconception is that your body NEEDS to be fueled every 2-3 hours, which simply isn't true. Your body is still digesting your food from the previous day, most of the time.

I've been eating this way since I started this thread, and have had no strength or muscle loss whatsoever. I typically have nothing except cream in my coffee until about 3pm.
Truth!

I have accomplished more PR's since I started my Leangains style IF, then I did trying to eat 6 times a day and always worrying about food.
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I'm gunna give the hybrid dieting a shot. It fits my workout schedule pretty nicely and makes sense. Done a little research on some of the data given.
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