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Old 05-01-2015, 02:16 PM   #1
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In this article they say we only need 56g (for a man) of protein a day. So that only 224 calories a day from protein. Ive read articles where it say to keep fat around 50g a day (450 calories) and carbs in the low 100s (400ish cals). That's around 1000 cals a day. Who could survive like that. now this has nothing to do with bodybuilding or powerlifting or fitness just for average people. The article may have also been trying to push the vegan movement as well.

What do yall think about info like this being published?
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Old 05-01-2015, 05:11 PM   #2
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All the fda serving size bullshit is based on a ridiculous 2000 calorie diet. Id die off that little protein. I had 150 grams for lunch
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If you are entirely sedentary, and you don't have a big build to start with, 2000 kcal would probably do the trick in a lot of cases.

As in, you won't starve, and you can get all the nutrients you need pretty easily... not that many people will, of course, but that's another issue.

But if they're truly saying ONE thousand is enough? Hell, no.


edit: I suspect it's mostly an overly strong (misguided and/or agenda-driven) reaction to the obesity epidemic sweeping not only the US, but similarly developed countries as well (like here, the UK, etc.) That is a real problem, and a serious one. However, this is not how you deal with it.
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Old 05-01-2015, 09:07 PM   #4
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it is a survival level of calories

Army studies have kept soldiers on 800 kcals per day for extended periods, ehich was a minimum needed for functionality.

Army studies also grew muscle on 6g of protein per day.

Personally, until around age 20 my BF was 4-5% with 10% of less of calories from protein and I was steadily (but slowly) adding muscle the whole time.
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Haha i have snacks w that much protein. Im 385lbs. I try to take in 400 grams plus a day
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Old 05-02-2015, 09:18 AM   #7
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In this article they say we only need 56g (for a man) of protein a day. So that only 224 calories a day from protein. Ive read articles where it say to keep fat around 50g a day (450 calories) and carbs in the low 100s (400ish cals). That's around 1000 cals a day. Who could survive like that. now this has nothing to do with bodybuilding or powerlifting or fitness just for average people. The article may have also been trying to push the vegan movement as well.

Well, this article from what I read has no data or studies backing this up, or peer review form research so it could be an opinion from the vegan community. In the article it state that men are recommended 56gm of protein a day, now with that being said protein need are relative as heavy weight in the gym, by that I mean is one size does not fit all whether it is a sedentary person or athlete when it comes to protein requirements a sedentary person will require less protein that one who is involved in a exercise program and also when determining protein requirement is also depending on height, weight, age and activity levels and that with the Harris- Benedict formula for EEN and in a clinical setting protein need are determined with .08 grams per bodyweight in kilos(150lb man divide by 2.2=68kg x.08=54gm protein) instead of using 1 gram per pound body weight (150 x 1gm- 150, and when it come to determining an athlete's need it can vary to 1-1.5 gms depending on what sport, height, weight, age. So this article does include these factors as well and to me it made a broad stroke statement with the 56 grams per day for men, I have had End Stage Renal Dialysis patients who were on much 70gm of protein and some 30gm and that because of height, weight, age, activity level which once again the one size fit all does not apply, and that is the fault I with the article, because as most lifters know a 150lb bodybuilder is going to have a different protein needs that a 275lbs power lifter and the authors seem not to realize that everyone is not the same and you can not use the "Cookie Cutter Method" on every one. The only point in the article that has some validity in the first paragraph when it stated that average person is increasing protein intake with various items, because it big business and half those folks do not exercise, which were this article fails to point out, I have always told patients every time you eat whether they were diabetic, on some trying to loose weight to eat a protein ,carbohydrate, and a fat every time they ate , this keep glucose(blood sugar)normal longer, and the protein and fat will keep the satiety ( feeling fuller longer) to help with weight loss and off track eating. Now as far as the vegans let them live, I am a carnivore, each to their own.
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I have been ignoring the number games for some time now. I don't even count calories, don't care to. I eat until I am satisfied, whether that means 1 plate or 3.



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it is a survival level of calories

Army studies have kept soldiers on 800 kcals per day for extended periods, ehich was a minimum needed for functionality.

Army studies also grew muscle on 6g of protein per day.

Personally, until around age 20 my BF was 4-5% with 10% of less of calories from protein and I was steadily (but slowly) adding muscle the whole time.

In some training environments you get 1 MRE, about 2500-3000 cal per package, for 5 days and dropped off in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of the night, and "bad guys" are looking for you.

I would consider this more-so than an "athletic" endeavor since you have very little rest, very little recovery, and heightened levels of stress for an extended period of time, and can still function and complete the "mission."
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You indeed can "survive" based on that sort of a diet if you are a sedentary person. The vast majority of human population will fall in that catehory, and its perfectly fine for them.

Before I started lifting, I didn't research any diet, used to eat food high in carb, probably about that much or a little more protein and did just great. That wasn't good enough once I started lifting and eventually had to research a bit about diet and add a lot more protein.

IMO, there's a big difference in dietary requirements for those who lift seriously and those who don't.

EDIT: They specify the minimum for each macro-nutrient for average (read sedentary) persons. The total of the minimum for each macro is in no way equal to the minimum calories required. Basically what it means is you need to get in at least that much of P/C/F - and then add in the remaining calories in whichever way you want, whether that be carb, fats or proteins. So, while it appears it suggests a 1000 cal diet, that really isn't he case.

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It appears to be targeted at the general population.

Protein "needs" is determined by activity level along with all other macronutrients. An athlete will need more amino's as the body is in a near constant state of rebuilding/recovery.

Protein synthesis is heightened with anabolic substances so needs are even higher when anabolic substances are involved.

A sedentary person doesn't need as much.
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