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Old 01-30-2015, 02:48 PM   #1
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I use these headphones that came with one of the phones I've had.

Pros: Very good noise cancellation
Very comfortable
Good sound quality
Inline mic
Inline controls for volume, pause/ play, skip track
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Light weight

Cons: Corded (not wireless)

I'm looking for suggestions from those of you that like to rock your own tunes when working in a public gym. I'm very particular about sound quality no matter what I play music through, so please include your rating there.

I've been interested in wireless headphones, preferably in-ear type, but don't know what to think about them. I've seen some guys use over the ear type, and watched as they struggled to keep them from falling off during bench and other movements.

At least once during every session, my phone falls out of my pocket and those buds get ripped out of my ears. On Monday, I worked without any headphones and realized that it's kind of a hassle dealing with the wires from my phone to my ears. So tell us what you think about what your using, and how much they cost!

One more thing, I keep my bag on a shelf on the back wall of the gym. How close do you have to be to your phone to use wireless headphones? I know it varies, but if you have any experience with this, please include it as I would like to just keep my phone in the bag..
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Old 01-30-2015, 04:35 PM   #2
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Before I started lifting at home I was using these bad boys:


Motorola S305 bluetooth headphones. I used them in and out of the gym for a solid 5 years, I'm not sure if you can still find them even. I know you said you prefer in ear, but these behind the neck ones don't have the same issues as regular over ear headphones. They hook behind your ears before going behind your neck so they stay on extremely well. I've never had them fall off and that includes all variations of benching including decline. I even did a stint where I would jump hurdles for conditioning and they always stayed on perfectly. They are also very lightweight and flexible so you can just toss them in your bag.

I usually log my workouts on my phone so I can't really tell you much about their range but I know there were a few times that I forgot my phone on the floor with my water when I went to the pisser and never lost connection. That was at least 20 or 30 feet with a wall or two in between.

Audio quality is great as far as I can tell. I don't have a very distinguished ear but I honestly couldn't tell the difference between these and my wife's pair of wired Sony headphones.
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Old 01-30-2015, 04:43 PM   #3
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If you're particular about sound quality, wireless earphones are going to be a step down from wired ones as a general rule.
also, earphones aren't going to sound quite as good as headphones (again, generally speaking) so there's that to factor in if you're going for maximum quality.

Perhapse these: http://en-us.sennheiser.com/bluetoot...phone-mm-450-x

While they're not ear phones, they'll provide you with better sound quality than most earphones would.

Look into Sennhiser, AKG, and shure.

Going for companies that specialise in audio is generally going to be better than general electronics companies.

That said, avoid Beats and Skull candy.
More money doesn't mean better in this case - my £50 AKG's easily out perform anything in the beats and skull candy range.

On the note about leaving your phone in your bag, the wireless range should reach just fine, but finer deatales will be provided on whatever site you're looking at on that front.

You also mentioned you're using your phone, which may or may not mean your listening to MP3 format.
If you're going for maximum sound quality, switch to WAV.
The files will be bigger, but if you have a sensitive ear which you seem to be implying, you're going to notice quite the difference.
MP3 is a compressed file, and thus degrades the quality of the audio.

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Linden knows his stuff here. Just one amendment to the above:

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If you're going for maximum sound quality, switch to WAV.
Or FLAC, which is compressed but still lossless, so the files are a bit smaller than WAVs, but the sound is identical.

I think there are a few other brands worth looking at, as well, based on some research I did a while back. SoundMagic and BrainWavz for canalphones, f'rex. I mean, if you're not looking to spend a fortune.

SoundMagic was my choice, after looking into various options. Very happy with them. Solid, a variety of shapes and sizes for things to stick in your ears, good sound, and they come with a clip, which helps in the gym.
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Or FLAC, which is compressed but still lossless, so the files are a bit smaller than WAVs, but the sound is identical.

I think there are a few other brands worth looking at, as well, based on some research I did a while back. SoundMagic and BrainWavz for canalphones, f'rex. I mean, if you're not looking to spend a fortune.

SoundMagic was my choice, after looking into various options. Very happy with them. Solid, a variety of shapes and sizes for things to stick in your ears, good sound, and they come with a clip, which helps in the gym.

Haha, thanks Mic.

I'm no expert, but Hopefully what I do know can help somewhat.


Also, SoundMagic! Of course! Thanks for the reminder.
I remembered their stuff, but couldn't for the life of me remember the name!

SoundMagic stuff is great, which model did you go for?

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All good info guys, thanks for sharing. I'll mos def research some of these brands.

Linden, what are you referring to as ear phones and head phones? These terms are used loosely to describe anything you put on or in your ears for music in my experience. Thanks

As far as mp3 vs lossless goes, I listen to a lot of "trashy" music and will keep these tracks in mp3 format. But for others bands like Death, Belphegor, Gojira, and Behemoth I'll make sure are ripped and stored in any lossless format. The idea of diminished quality through a wireless connection is disconcerting depending on how severely the quality is affected.
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Ear phones are the in ear speakers you attached to your origonal post. Sorry, I should've been more specific.
'Earbuds' would be a better way to describe them.

Head phones refer to over the ear cans.


On wireless vs wired:

Any wire you plug in to listen to music goes through a DAC.
A DAC, is a digital to analogue conversion, where by the audio is transformed from digital (your phone) to analogue (your headphones)

The quality of this conversion, and so the quality of whatever you're listening to, depends on the quality of the DAC conveter.
The better the converter, the better the sound.

With a wireless set up, the sound is being transmitted through blue tooth.

Think of it like a radio signal, compared to a CD.
The radio signal sounds way, way worse, because of interference, white noise, static etc;
There isn't that clear destination, from point A to point B (digital, to analogue)
Blue tooth audio rides the same frequencie range as allot of other signals around you, and so there can be quite a bit of interference.

By far the worst thing about Bluetooth audio however, is the digital compression.
You're sacrificing allot of quality because of this.
In other words, the low end and the high end are squashed together, and you end up with a frequency range that for the most part, sucks.
To me, Bluetooth audio sounds very hollow in comparasson.

However, if you're listening to MP3, the difference between wired and wireless won't be nearly as obvious as if you were listening to FLAC or WAV, so if the majority of your music library is MP3, the novelty of having wireless headphones in the gym might out weigh have better audio quality.

This leads me onto my next point, which is on people's expectations.
The casual listeners expectations as to what "sounds good" can be far from a great pair of headphones, and that's something you'll have to take into consideration.

To quote your origonal post, you said one of the pro's in favour of the set you had that came with your phone was that they had good sound quality.
As someone who's recently feeling the burn in my wallet having spent £1500 on my new AD/DA converter system, and another £1200 on some power amplifire mono blocks I built myself for my KRK's in my studio, listening to music on anything that came with a phone would now sound like total crap, simply because I've experience much better.

Most people don't ever listen to music on that that level, and whats more, many couldn't care less about listening to it to that level.

If the earbuds that came with your phone sound great to you, then it's unlikely you'll notice a difference between wired and wireless, frequency response, etc;

That's not because I have better ears, it's simply to do with circumstance, and for that reason, what's good is going to be subjective.

When I set up the new Converter system and power amps I Mentioned above for the first time, I brought my sister in to have a listen and do an A/B comparison.
As I stood there beaming at the new upgrade, I simultainiously popped the questions "It's so much better, right?!"
She tentively said "uh, yeah, I guess so"

The difference between them not being overly noticeable to her wasn't because she was deaf, but because she wasn't in there nearly everyday mixing music on monitors, and specifically listening to minuete differences in the levels in order to mix it correctly.
My ears had become accustomed to the subtleties, and hers hadn't.
Which is the same reason the earphones that came with her phone are going to sound great to her, and not very good to me.


For many people, convinience trums fidelity.
given the fact that your phone ear buds sound great to you, and that you're clearly experiencing problems with wired ones, I think you'd be fine with a wireless set.
While they're not great, blue tooth has come quite far from it's beginnings.
A pair like Alex mentioned would be fine.

On the flip side, if fantastic audio quality was more important than the Inconvinences of the wires,
Go with Mic's SoundMagics.
Remember though, once your ears get used to high end cans like those, you won't hear the cheaper stuff the same again, and buying anything in the audio rhelm could get quite expensive until your satisfied, haha


Weigh up the pro's and cons and see what you think for yourself.

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Damn son. Linden laid some knowledge on us.

I deal with a2ds in measuring voltage at work. Never thought about a loss of resolution in music the same way till now
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Sound quality probably isnt the best in the world, but yurbuds are the only earphones I've ever worn that don't fall out. You twist them in your ear and they lock in.

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Again, thanks for the info.

That was enlightening Linden. That post actually inspired me to break out my record player last night. While my home system is no studio quality set-up, the Sherwood receiver coupled with my homemade speaker boxes are absolutely brilliant in comparison to anything I've experienced, which truly isn't that much. My wife and I had a good time going through some of our records, taking turns from her Mariah Carey, Elvis and Rod Stewart, to my Sodom and Disgorge.

You made clear the point that sound quality is limited to the weakest link from input to output, and even though Bluetooth may be convenient, I don't think it's worth the money/ risk of disappointment.

I described these buds I use as "good" as a comparison to many others that I've used. They sound surprisingly good, and I think their best feature is that they kind of work like an ear plug, blocking the majority of ambient noise. I'm apprehensive when it comes to buying anything new because I don't know how it will compare to what I'm accustomed to.

This evening I'll do my research on SoundMagic. And to rid the inconvenience of my phone jumbling around in my pocket, I may get a pouch or some kind of holder for it.

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