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Old 02-23-2014, 01:31 PM   #1
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Cool How Strong is "Super-Strong"?

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Ever watch a movie or read a book about someone with "Super-Human Strength"?

Yeah, I've even written a few.

But you'll come across statements like "He's five times as strong as a normal human".

Do you mean that he's as strong as five wimpy dudes his size, who can bench press 135X1 apiece? As strong as five world record holders in his weight class who can do 500X1 Raw?

Or that at 6' and 220 pounds that he can bench five times whatever the Raw Superheavyweight can lift?

But it gets more complex.

Let us say that a human power lifter in our subject's weight class can bench 500X1 Raw once, maybe twice in a year—when he is peaked and really Psyched up.

While our subject could walk into a gym in street clothes and bench 500X1 Raw almost any day of the week, even after a poor night's sleep and a five mile walk to the gym in 90 degree weather.

Let us further suppose that for some limiting reason that he'll never bench much more than 500...

But that given a half hour to rest between sets, he could lift 500 Pounds five to eight times before he started missing...

And that hypothetically, he could do five sets of 500X1 every day indefinitely, without losing strength.

Well obviously, he is stronger than the world champion in his weight class—especially during the Champion's off-season...

But how much stronger would you say that he is?

And what is a good way to quantify for the reader who may know nothing of lifting and who may think that 250 Pounds sounds like a WHOLE LOT?

While we're on the subject:

It seems to me that the Human body is a bit underpowered. There are halfway useful maneuvers that only 90 pound prepubescent girls in the Olympics, jockey-sized Parkour Champions and Capoeira Masters can do.

Take a non-athletic, six foot tall and 220 pound truck driver.

Double his strength (without changing weight or composition) and he may be able to bounce around like a 90 pound gymnast...

But note:

Even Track High Jumpers jump with spiked shoes on a clean, level and well-lit track with a nice pad to fall on.

Even if our truck driver can jump as high as an Olympian, he won't often have the traction on the street.

It seems as if one would rapidly reach a point of Very Rapidly Diminishing Returns.

{I mean if our 6' 220 pound 2.5X Strong Truck Driver could lose fifteen pounds of fat without losing any Strength—would it make even the tiniest difference in what he could do in the real world?

I'm not even sure that jacking him from 2.5X to 5X would show much improvement in his agility.}

Anyone have any idea at what point this would be?

{Yeah, strength is far more than Bench Press—I just simplified...}


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Old 02-23-2014, 01:44 PM   #2
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Sure enough, I can pick up motors, load pallets, and push cars faster than more athletic looking people.

But I hate digging.
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Old 02-23-2014, 03:32 PM   #4
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What constitutes strong?
This is something that is debated back and forth all the time by lifters. A long time ago I had a "star system" where I set up lifts for 5 rep maxes and what level it was placed on. Like "weak, average, strong, elite" that kind of thing. It stirred up quite a bit of discussion on the small board I posted on at the time. I thought it was good food for thought.

I go back and forth with this sort of thing all the time with Jim Wendler of elitefts and so I figured what the heck, I'd throw some numbers up that we have been chatting about that would constitute really diesel elite-level lifting for reps.

Bench Press - 315x20
I took notice of this after Eric Lilliebridge sent me his training log. Most all of the 500+ bench pressers I know can hit around 315 for 20-22 reps or so. And even if you couldn't bench 500, if you could do 315x20 you'd be damn big and strong. No getting around that.

Dips - 200x10
Jim says this is ridiculous. I left it at 200x10 for that very reason. I mean we're talking elite level right?

Chins - 100x10
Some skinny guys that are naturally built for chinning might be able to hit this. But we're talking dead-stop chins all the way up. Not that forehead to the bar shit. This is diesel chinning/back strength, especially for guys over 200 pounds.

Squats and Deadlifts - 500x20
Yeah sounds ridiculous doesn't it? That's the point. Using a calculator this would come out to an 800 squat or dead. Mind you, the point here isn't that if you worked up to this you would be hitting an 800 squat or dead, but you'd damn sure have increased your 1 rep max and you'd be a walking Hulk to boot. Second, all of that mass would have increased your 1 rep max ceiling. Meaning you probably would be able to translate those reps into an 800 squat or dead after specializing in some singles for a while. Good stuff all around.


Kaz claimed to have squatted 600x25 pretty regularly. I don't doubt it.


Standing Strict Press - 315x1
No push press crap. Lots of guy can do push press numbers that look good but then fall flat on their face come strict press time. This is the one lift where we never talked about reps but just about putting 3 wheels overhead. I was probably good for this at one time (275x3 strict) but I do my standing press from a clean. I couldn't hang clean 315 so I never got a shot. After August I am going to take a real run at this over the next 12 months.

Barbell Curls - 185 x 10
Again, strict. I don't think we discussed this one too much but it's there (I think).
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^ dam, especially the squat and deadlift
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I have done 320x18 before in the bench
500x20 in the squat wouldnt be hard as long as I dont pass out lol
500x20 in the dead? Not sure on that one
I have seated pressed 315 behind the head, never did a ton of heavy strict press.

The chin up and dip stuff...NO WAY IN HELL hahahaha

Makes for fun conversation, but really that stuff is more about conditioning.
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500x1 is the same level of strength as 500x20, assuming the 500x20 lifter could not lift over 500 lbs. it's just different strength endurance.

However, the 500x20 lifter would likely be a 700-1000 lbs lifter and would therefore actually be stronger.

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