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Old 07-08-2013, 02:10 PM   #1
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If you don't know I've had many lower back issues over the last 1-2 years. And it has had a big impact on my squating and even more so on my deadlifting.
After aggrivating it yesterday doing sumo deads, I finally broke down and went to a medical professional. I am tired of not being able to progress my squats and deads and waking up in pain every day.

Upon an initial examination, it was determined there is a definite problem with my L2.
Xrays were taken. I will not get results until tommorow.
He performed an adjustment to relieve the pain.
We spoke in depth about weightlifting. He was very open and receptive to it. This was very encouraging.
He shared that he has a bad back, but offroad motorcycle riding is his hobby, even though it is one of the worst things someone with a bad back can do. He shared that it is a risk he takes becuase it is his mental relief and he loves it.
A few things came out of the weightlifting discussion:
-Any ambitions of competeing in powerelifting are probably out the door.
-Deadlifts, at least for the short term are not allowed. He did leave open the idea that once we get a handle on the condition and assess the risk I can make a personal decision on whether or not to deadlift.
-Squating, since it doesn't usually cause aggrivation is ok. However he encouraged me to avoid excessive forward lean and progress with caution. I can live with this.

That's basically everything. The xrays will give us a more accurate picture of the extent of the damage. At best I can make corrections and deadlift again. At worst, I can't even squat heavy, but can continue to lift.
Also, I'm not going to stop here. My next step will be to see a PT and see what they have to say.

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One other note, I will still continue to do RDLs for reps and continue to do power cleans.

***second edit**
While a full powerlifting meet is out of the question, there is nothing stopping me from becoming a bench specialist.
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Funny, I have a damaged L2 and L3 and the docs told me no squats but deads were ok.... I think all doctors just make stuff up.
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Well I am just glad you found something out.

And heck, you are a natural bencher, so certainly nothing wrong with that
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I would not be so hasty to throw deads out. There are so many possibilities of diagnosis that it is too early to tell. I can tell you, from experience, x rays will usually tell you little to nothing about disc issues, unless it is huge. Took three rounds of tests before they found mine and even then, until they opened it up, couldn't really tell how bad it was.

Anyway. Time off from deads and squats and some flexibility training, look up Agile 8, will probably go a long way in helping.
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The positive things are that he's open to weightlifting; he follows a sport himself, with a bad back, whilst knowing it may not be the smartest thing to do; he also isn't ruling out altering lifting dependant upon future changes.

As you say, as well, you still have benching.
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I would not be so hasty to throw deads out. There are so many possibilities of diagnosis that it is too early to tell. I can tell you, from experience, x rays will usually tell you little to nothing about disc issues, unless it is huge. Took three rounds of tests before they found mine and even then, until they opened it up, couldn't really tell how bad it was.

Anyway. Time off from deads and squats and some flexibility training, look up Agile 8, will probably go a long way in helping.
I agree - I have significant damage to my L2 and L3 ( complete annular tears, arthritis, and bone spurs) and until I had an MRI, the docs did not have a clue. They showed as "narrowing" discs with deterioration on the X- rays.

I recently had an epidural injection of fluid and cortisonal steroids which, did not seem to work.

Started on a course of pain meds and muscle relaxers but I will soon be weaning myself off those- cannot see being dependant on pills for the rest of my life.

I am convinced that the docs just make stuff up- they are guessing, when it comes to the spine.

My doc said no squats, deads were ok.... went to another that said neither were "allowed" with a back injury.

When I stop lifting it seems that my back hurts worse - when I squat and dead - back loosens up. Go figure.

I will be trying the Agile 8 ( and maybe some yoga, soon) I have got to get some relief. Good luck to ya' Josh ( and everyone else, with back issues) I hope we all, feel better soon.
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Funny, I have a damaged L2 and L3 and the docs told me no squats but deads were ok.... I think all doctors just make stuff up.
So since they told you this, do you perform either lift? I will certainly seek out more than one professional opinion.

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And heck, you are a natural bencher, so certainly nothing wrong with that
Thanks my friend. I feel the same way. I have been putting this off for a while. Just going to some sort of medical professional is good step for me.
I am bummed about the deadlift. Concerned about the squats, but yeah, at least I have the bench press.

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I would not be so hasty to throw deads out. There are so many possibilities of diagnosis that it is too early to tell. I can tell you, from experience, x rays will usually tell you little to nothing about disc issues, unless it is huge. Took three rounds of tests before they found mine and even then, until they opened it up, couldn't really tell how bad it was.

Anyway. Time off from deads and squats and some flexibility training, look up Agile 8, will probably go a long way in helping.
Thanks bam. I agree, it is too early to tell for sure. I have the opinion of one chiropractor with no x-ray results, so the extent of the damage is not for sure. This was just a confirmation that there is a problem. I may soon be able to deadlift again, it's too early to tell.
I will continue to seek out other opinions from other medical opinions. This was just a start.
So, you have had surgery? What treatment and type of medical professionals did you try(pt, chiropractor, orthapedic, etc)?
I am familar with agile 8. I need to make time to start doing it every day.
Thanks for sharing your experience and the advice.

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The positive things are that he's open to weightlifting; he follows a sport himself, with a bad back, whilst knowing it may not be the smartest thing to do; he also isn't ruling out altering lifting dependant upon future changes.

As you say, as well, you still have benching.
Yeah, that is a positive. I was very relived when he related as he did. He put out deads for the short term, but was open for the long term. So, I'll have to wait and see.
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I agree - I have significant damage to my L2 and L3 ( complete annular tears, arthritis, and bone spurs) and until I had an MRI, the docs did not have a clue. They showed as "narrowing" discs with deterioration on the X- rays.

I recently had an epidural injection of fluid and cortisonal steroids which, did not seem to work.

Started on a course of pain meds and muscle relaxers but I will soon be weaning myself off those- cannot see being dependant on pills for the rest of my life.

I am convinced that the docs just make stuff up- they are guessing, when it comes to the spine.

My doc said no squats, deads were ok.... went to another that said neither were "allowed" with a back injury.

When I stop lifting it seems that my back hurts worse - when I squat and dead - back loosens up. Go figure.

I will be trying the Agile 8 ( and maybe some yoga, soon) I have got to get some relief. Good luck to ya' Josh ( and everyone else, with back issues) I hope we all, feel better soon.
thanks sc. What type of medical professionals did you seek for treatment? I am glad to hear that you still can squat and deadlift. Did you take any time off from doing them? As far as pain meds and muscle relaxers, I am really torn on whether or not I should go there. Part of me thinks I should, part of me think I should try to go with out them. There are times when my back is aggrevated when I would surely take them if I had them.
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All in all I'm starting to feel a bit bad about this whole thing. I hope you guys can/will help me with a routine to work around deads and maybe even squats. Hopefullly squats can stay, but still. I wanted to do a program like Big, now I doubt I can even do it.
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All in all I'm starting to feel a bit bad about this whole thing. I hope you guys can/will help me with a routine to work around deads and maybe even squats. Hopefullly squats can stay, but still. I wanted to do a program like Big, now I doubt I can even do it.
Pretty sure everyone, that can help, will help, though don't go getting too down in the dumps either until you know the exact extent of what you will or won't be permitted/able to do.

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I'll give you my usual pick me up about low back pain. Derek poundstone wrecked his lower back. came back stronger than ever after the surgery. Don't take living with pain or reduced ability for answer man, you will get this fixed.
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