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Old 06-09-2013, 05:52 PM   #11
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followed SS for 6-8 months as a beginner. made quick strength gains while learning good form. you can replace cleans with Pendlay row. squatting 3 times a week was not a problem for me; in fact, i think the frequency of squatting is part of what makes the program so good.
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:21 PM   #12
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Didn't your son play college football? If so I am sure he knows how to power clean.

You could always just start him on BIG

He played High School...was recruited by Duke, Perdue, Souther Miss, among others. But when Dad got in a fight with offensive Line coach, called him a mother f**ckin c**k sucker...Trey did not see the field as much, then the ACL injury...and thats the end of that tail.

He was a big lifter in HS, they actually bought some 150 lb dumbells just for him to do 1 arm rows....but he has since confessed to me that they gave the O-linemen steroids in high school, which I suspected since he got super strong and super big, super fast!!

Anyway, he is no where near as close in strength now as he was then...I mean no where close, 3 yrs of not touching a weight, college, girls, and beer have left his strength levels pretty low. So we want to basically start over, and the "untrained" "un-informed" approach I took when I started certainly is NOT the way to go!!
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:25 PM   #13
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I reckon the muscle and brawn full body rep goal program would be a good place to start.
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Old 06-09-2013, 09:41 PM   #14
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he has since confessed to me that they gave the O-linemen steroids in high school, which I suspected since he got super strong and super big, super fast!!
As the father of a future high school football O-Lineman, that scares the Frakin' Shat out of me! I would rip that coach a new asshole.
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As the father of a future high school football O-Lineman, that scares the Frakin' Shat out of me! I would rip that coach a new asshole.
Happened at my high school as well, unfortunately....
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Rippetoe just focuses on two lifts: bench and squat. They get repeated the most. Actually, it's mostly just Squats.

In principle, I do not like cookie cutters like 5x5 or SS or SL or whatever... They ignore injury prevention stuff, hip mobility, etc. Plus, I prefer Front Squats over Back Squats and Deadlifts over Squats in general so it's personal prejudice as well.

I also like more balanced training where there is enough attention given to Posterior Chain training. Just Power Cleans aren't enough and I for one, don't even like Power Cleans.

Even pure beginner strength trainees can and should devote themselves to lifts they are passionate for and would like to see themselves doing for many years to come. Itís okay to start with something and then shift over. There is nothing set in stone here. If someone wants to become a strength specialist, the ground reality is that he or she will most likely not be stronger than the professional but anybody can be a strength specialist and find pleasure and satisfaction in doing something they are passionate about.

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If done correctly, a novice linear progression only lasts a few months anyhow. So he won't be squatting 3x/week for long. Though food for thought, Mike Tuchscherer squats 3x/week and he seems kinda strong (squats Rip style too).

I suggest picking up Practical Programming along with SS, it teaches programming beyond the novice level.
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I did it and it helped alot for learning the lifts but i prefer what im doing now which is basically the advanced novice program from SS (with a few extra things, curls ect)but with the rep goal system. SS demands 3x5 but with a rep goal of 15 you can do 6,5,4 or 6,6,3 and still progress. Also if you dont hit 3x5 if feels like a failure with SS but with the goal system even just adding one rep is a win. Its the best system ive used by far.
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I'm not a huge Ripp fan.. I think he over thinks simple moves.. Or uses too many stupid words. That only need one or two words to explain it...

I like the 5/3/1 set up much better. Ripp is set in his ways. If you don't low bar it's not good squat form. There is a APP on the iphone called BIG LIFTS. It layouts out the 5/3/1 % over the 4 weeks. Then even adjust for the next round of 4 weeks. PLUS ITS FREE.

Also for starting off... Use the 5/3/1 APP. And say on Bench Day... Pick 4 lifts that benifit the Bench Press. (Close Grip, Dips, Incline Bench etc...) Think like a powerlifter just on the 5/3/1 Bench sets. Then on the other lifts. Think like a Bodybuilder. 4 sets of 12... Do the same thing on the other days. Along with a good diet.. Your set.
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I love the circular references:

You are a novice

why?

You must do SS

why?

You are a novice
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