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Old 05-08-2013, 11:45 AM   #21
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I think the article linked to makes some good points. I was especially interested in the comments about work ethic and gains.

I spent years believing that the only thing preventing me from the physique of a successful bodybuilder was determination. If a training routine didn't succeed, it was just because I wasn't trying hard enough. That's a very convenient line for magazine editors, article writers, personal trainers and so on because it passes the buck onto the client. "It didn't work because you didn't work hard enough"

And as we are raised from the crib to believe that everything falls to he who works hard, this fits into most people's belief systems too.

I'm not saying hard work makes no difference, but it's only part of the picture. I've seen guys busting their balls in the gym for years without really getting anywhere.
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And as we are raised from the crib to believe that everything falls to he who works hard, this fits into most people's belief systems too.
This mindset is embedded deeply into natural bodybuilding. Most experienced naturals - guys that have been lifting 10 to 15+ years - still believe they can get much bigger, whatever that happens to mean to the particular individual.

Despite only having gained a pound in 5 years, they still believe. This might be a tangent, but the fact that the natural side of the sport is still so deeply in bed with this notion that they can get bigger and bigger isn't helping things.

A few years back on this forum we were having a heated discussion regarding natural expectations. I remarked that my gains all but stopped 15 years ago. I was told that I didn't know what I was doing, nor how to train.

My point is that you get hammered either way you go in this industry. If you go to the hucksters, they promise fast gains. If you go to the natural pros, they still hold dearly to the notion of unlimited gains. People wonder why the kids are so confused.

All I know is that when reasonable expectations are discussed, it usually erupts into a verbal brawl.
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Steve, I couldn't agree more.
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