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Old 11-20-2012, 03:22 PM   #11
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Let me get my head around this statement. Is Marla implying that weight training in the teens years is akin to a gateway drug? Try to build muscle at 13 and you will be hooked on AS by 18? Give me a break. No offense to the scientists in our audience, but sometimes scientist should be slapped up side the head for their stupid statements.
Here's a link to the paper:

http://www.medpagetoday.com/upload/2....2012-0095.pdf

What Eisenberg seems to be saying in the paper is that pediatricians need to be on the lookout for those kids in which health-promoting behaviours turn into health-destroying obsessions. And I guess a proportion of kids hooked on weight-training at 13 will be hooked on steroids at 18.

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Conceptualization of these behaviors should include frequent use
of seemingly healthy behaviors (eg, changing eating and exercising) done
with the goal of increasing musclemass or tone. Although these may be beneficial, compulsive or excessive use is cause for concern,37 because they maybe a precursor to the development of more severe and unhealthy behaviors over time.
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Health care providers should counsel adolescent patients about appropriate exercise, general nutrition, and the lack of efficacy andpotential dangers of muscle-enhancement products.
Fine. But this is a somewhat clumsily phrased sentence, as it seems to be implying that muscle-enhancement products as a category are ineffective (blatantly untrue for steroids, but fair comment on HMB etc) or dangerous. Protein gets lumped in the same category too [/can of worms]
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:31 PM   #12
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Also, if we take those results at face value, I find 'em just horrifying. Thise percentages are scary, given the young median age of the respondents.

I'm clinging onto the hope that (a) self-reports aren't necessarily accurate and (b) a proportion may not really know what the hell a steroid is, and are confused. I've met plenty of kids who mix up creatine and steroids, or think protein powder has steroids in it. Plenty of adults get corticosteroids (like cortisone or other anti-inflammatories) and anabolic steroids mixed up.

Clutching at straws, maybe.
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I think a part of the problem is the mainstream media influencing young adults on whats "cool" and how we should "look". So, people go out and do drastic things to be "popular".
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Are steroids that easy to get?? In early teenage years? When I was that age, it was pretty badass to get a hold of cigarettes, alcohol, or at the most, weed.
Yup, I agree.
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Steroids are not hard to get. But the point is,this study is total junk.
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I wager a solid percentage of that usage comes from prohormones, which are easy to get.

The overall percentage of usage does seem high to me.
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The highschool football team my son attended, the offensive lineman, and the defensive lineman had steroids available to them if they wanted to use them. I also know for a fact, when the college recruiters come around, they pretty much tell the kids they need to be on "the juice" if they have any chance to land at a big time program.

And before everyone starts to tell me I do not know what I am talking about, I heard it with my own ears, in my own livingroom, from over a half dozen recruiters.
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. But the point is,this study is total junk.
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I also know for a fact, when the college recruiters come around, they pretty much tell the kids they need to be on "the juice" if they have any chance to land at a big time program.
I don't get too worked up about PEDS in sport, but that's pretty grim.
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Yup, I agree.
Rewind about 8 years, I walked into a gym in liverpool to train there for the first time. After only 20 minutes or so the gym, most of which I spent paying and changing into gym clothes, the gym manager comes to me and the conversation goes something like this:

"Welcome, if you need any help with training, supplementation or anything you can't get behind the counter come and see me upstairs"

"Oh ok, but I'm ok thanks"

"You're sure? I'll only ask once"

"Yes thanks"

That's not atypical of gyms I've been to either.
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