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Old 08-23-2012, 06:18 PM   #21
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First, I can care less how safe it is in Oslo or anywhere else in Norway.
But that's what I just don't get. There's been a lot of criticism of the Norwegian prison flying around the internet based on a Fox News piece in the US. So if Americans are questioning another country's system of punishment, surely that's got to be part of the question: does it work? Is their supposedly unjust system actually resulting in a safer society?

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before I raged about nothing, simply asked what happened to the justice that the victims of this man deserve.
OK, fair enough. You asked a question, which in my view is projecting a certain set of North American values onto another culture. But not everyone in the US, let alone Norway is so tied into the need for vengeance, or equates that with justice. It would be interesting to get some Norwegian views on this.

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If criminals are not released they cannot re offend, letting out those that cannot be trusted again sure has failed historically. (Would you for instance trust the killer of you're children again I wouldn't).
What do you mean by 'it's failed'? It fails for some, succeeds for others. If we are to believe the recidivism rates I quoted earlier (and I don't know what the details are), it works 80% of the time in Norway. The killer of my children? I'm not sure I would be in a fit mental state to judge anything about them.

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We'll Tann you never get angry and want to hurt someone, really?

Maybe you are Jesus, if so can we hang for a couple of hours?

There's a big difference between never getting angry and needing the thought of prison to keep you from smashing certain people around you. On a daily basis. Maybe you're exaggerating to make a point, but that sounds pretty angry to me.

I do want to hurt people occasionally (especially hiphop artists), but for me, the thought of prison doesn't enter into it. Except for extraordinary circumstances, I would regard acting on those sorts of impulse as...I don't know, just cretinous. That's what thick people do.

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Should I be expecting the authorities? Maybe I need thirty days of mental health evaluation.
If your desire to 'smash' is as frequent as you say, I'd start with a blood pressure check.
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Old 08-23-2012, 11:00 PM   #22
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To quote my self.

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The thought of prison keeps me going to work every day. I have to swallow my pride and not smash those that wrong me.
See the period right after the word day? In this country you have to work to have the things that you want. They are not just given. Yep, I go to work so I don't have to steal and therefore don't have to go to prison. And I got to tell you its been working pretty damn well.

No thought of smashing on a daily message, I think you assume too much.

To know that my tax dollars would be going to keep this POS in the lap of luxury would drive me crazy. If that doesn't bother you or the people of Norway then so be it.

Additionally, at least according to Anders Breivik he is a political terrorist, not a common criminal.

I hope that at some point one or more of his fellow prisoners will do to him as some did to Jeffrey Dahmer in this country. Dahmer will never Rape and kill again.

And the victims family's at least know that Dahmer got what he deserved and don't have to think about him running on his treadmill to blow of steam, after a brutal porn filled internet session( or what ever that freak would be doing with his humanitarian imprisonment).
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About Jesus, a few posts back: why would you want to hang out with Jesus? He was a bleeding heart socialist who wanted to succour the poor. Sounds more like someone you'd add to the pics in your signature.


About Brevik: yes, the last thing I read said that he viewed the killings as a political act. He's anti-liberal, anti-left wing, and sees the camp he attacked as a breeding ground for the left-wing ideologues (I think some of the Norwegian politicians had attended there). He blames them for what he regards as an influx of immigrants into Norway, and sees the country as under threat from Islam. Haven't checked this, but I think that's near the mark.

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I hope that at some point one or more of his fellow prisoners will do to him as some did to Jeffrey Dahmer in this country. Dahmer will never Rape and kill again.

And the victims family's at least know that Dahmer got what he deserved and don't have to think about him running on his treadmill to blow of steam, after a brutal porn filled internet session( or what ever that freak would be doing with his humanitarian imprisonment).
Is that true, though? Actually, I remember at the time of Dahmer's murder that not all of the victims felt that he got what he deserved. This confirms it:

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For some of the relatives of his victims, the answer is a defiant yes. "I'm happy and very excited that the monster is finally dead," said Janie Hagen, whose brother Richard Guerrero was slaughtered by Dahmer in 1988 at the age of 21. "The Devil is gone." But for others, killing is killing, no matter how vile the victim. "I couldn't stop crying when I heard the news," says Theresa Smith, who had visited Dahmer in prison this past March to learn just how her brother Eddie, slain by Dahmer in 1990 at age 28, had died. "I was crying for his parents. For him, because he was murdered. He shouldn't have been murdered like that."
So there's a danger in projecting our ideas of justice onto others. Not everybody thinks that vengeance = justice.

Edit to add: Mrs. T was just listening to an interview with some of the people caught up in the bombing. One woman interviewed was saying that she had complete faith in the Norwegian justice system, and that whatever they decided about him was fine by her.

But ultimately, your wishes for Anders Brevik to meet the same fate as Dahmer make me believe that you find it hard to look at the issue dispassionately, so at that I'll bow out.
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If we rewarded good behavior as much or more than we do bad behavior perhaps a few more people would be motivated to avoid turning their lives into a car crash. Consequences work for children. How about steeper consequences for slackers and bums? Maybe we would have fewer abandon moms, hurting and confused kids, and lazy SOBs.
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So, the psycho killer lives in a space better than my first apartment?.
Apparently. But on the other hand, you were not watched 24 hours a day in your apartment, were not subject to arbitrary search of your premises and seizure of ordinary things declared contraband, didn't have to hang out with drug dealers, murderers and rapists all day, and could leave the place whenever you wanted to.

Deprivation of liberty is actually a pretty significant punishment.
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