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Old 07-02-2012, 01:08 PM   #21
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Thanks for pointing that out.

This adds insecurity to the table.



Hmm, how do I view these questions...

Most women don't flirt with the intention of having sex, so there is a difference. Men do, most of the time - or at least they are thinking about it. So I agree with the first statement. Men and women are wired differently. I don't know that most women realize they are teasing. It's just part of the love dance. /End overthinking.

Regarding intoxication...hmm. All I know is that women who tended to get drunk a lot were well known.
Being female, I have to add that I think most women know exactly what they're doing when they flirt and in today's society it is generally with one purpose in mind, or the secondary purpose of jealousy and a fight between two guys over her, pretty much.


In regard to the article/study, when a proportion of a population is asked about specifics, the results can't be taken to mean the entire group of "muscular" men, since a percentage only reflects the percentage of those actually asked; it also depends where they picked up these muscular men, a gym, a bar, a club??

Putting in the equation, the guys on this forum, for argument's sake; I highly doubt any or many have that attitude and yet they are all after increased strength (very male related goal) or increased muscularity (male realted again)...but are secure in their male role and don't need violence to assert themselves in that arena. So, had the guys on this forum been asked, the results would have been very different to the ones being portrayed.
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Can I borrow your Stormtrooper suit?

wtf.... LMAO
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f a population is asked about specifics, the results can't be taken to mean the entire group of "muscular" men, since a percentage only reflects the percentage of those actually asked; it also depends where they picked up these muscular men, a gym, a bar, a club??
As far as I can figure out (without shelling out $11 to buy the full copy of the study), the researchers didn't target muscular men. They asked a cross-section of men about (a) their interest in acquiring a muscular physique and (b) their attitudes towards women. Then they looked to see if there was any correlation between the two, which apparently there was.

So they aren't claiming that all muscular men are sexist. They are claiming that those men with a greater interest in becoming muscular (whatever that means) are statistically more likely to show sexist attitudes.

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Putting in the equation, the guys on this forum, for argument's sake; I highly doubt any or many have that attitude and yet they are all after increased strength (very male related goal) or increased muscularity (male realted again)...but are secure in their male role and don't need violence to assert themselves in that arena. So, had the guys on this forum been asked, the results would have been very different to the ones being portrayed.
I'm not sure that they looked at violence against women. They did look at objectification of women. Note that the forum does have a very popular 'testosterone' thread and 'hot fitness models' thread. I'm not referring to this as sexist, but that was one of their measures, and, hey, we've got one. I'm happy to say.

I see very little sexism on here* compared to the UK car forum that I'm on. There, every new female member is treated like a piece of meat. It's just horrible.


*Though I did see fitness models referred to as 'permatanned whores' on another thread
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Old 07-02-2012, 01:47 PM   #24
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As far as I can figure out (without shelling out $11 to buy the full copy of the study), the researchers didn't target muscular men. They asked a cross-section of men about (a) their interest in acquiring a muscular physique and (b) their attitudes towards women. Then they looked to see if there was any correlation between the two, which apparently there was.

So they aren't claiming that all muscular men are sexist. They are claiming that those men with a greater interest in becoming muscular (whatever that means) are statistically more likely to show sexist attitudes.



I'm not sure that they looked at violence against women. They did look at objectification of women. Note that the forum does have a very popular 'testosterone' thread and 'hot fitness models' thread. I'm not referring to this as sexist, but that was one of their measures, and, hey, we've got one. I'm happy to say.

I see very little sexism on here* compared to the UK car forum that I'm on. There, every new female member is treated like a piece of meat. It's just horrible.


*Though I did see fitness models referred to as 'permatanned whores' on another thread
Thanks Tann; I see what you mean about the "muscular seeker" (for want of a better terminology) as opposed to the already muscular individual...the strange thing is, this may be one of those phenomenon as seen with martial arts, those who seek it have a strange view of it (use it as a means to an end instead of for its true purpose) whereas those doing the art form for several years tend to be more stable in their view and settled in to the art form for the sake of the form; I realise that probably doesn't make any sense but I hope it does.


With regard to the seeing women as a piece of meat, an MRI scan of the male brain was done and women were seen as impersonal objects in the same way as screwdrivers and hammers...so, that may just be a generalised male view; though, to be fair, there was no correlating study done on females and I'm sure had there been, it may have resulted in similar views toward the male form.

The fitness model and testosterone threads, to me, are just basic human instinct but I can see where some may see them as sexist.
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So they aren't claiming that all muscular men are sexist. They are claiming that those men with a greater interest in becoming muscular (whatever that means) are statistically more likely to show sexist attitudes.
Perhaps these men who wanted to become muscular were doing so to feel attractive to women like their muscular counterparts, believing women to be attracted to only that kind of man. Therefore, they had slightly hostile attitudes towards women out of resentment for being overlooked.

They think they want to be Brad so they can have an Angelina.
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I see very little sexism on here* compared to the UK car forum that I'm on. There, every new female member is treated like a piece of meat. It's just horrible.
Because on a car forum all it takes is money to buy and upgrade a vehicle (not condoning the behavior). But on here, people actually have to put in the effort, man or woman, and that is respectable.
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Because on a car forum all it takes is money to buy and upgrade a vehicle (not condoning the behavior). But on here, people actually have to put in the effort, man or woman, and that is respectable.
Yeah, could be. Or could be that that particular marque is bought by trogolodytes. Honestly, it's awful - a woman only has to sign in on there and it's a mass attack of the leg-humpers.
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I don't really care about the ridiculous study, the entire Storm trooper pic series, on the other hand, was hilarious. I literally "LOL'd out loud."
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With regard to the seeing women as a piece of meat, an MRI scan of the male brain was done and women were seen as impersonal objects in the same way as screwdrivers and hammers.
Interesting...though I don't put too much faith in MRI scans as a method of uncovering attitudes.

As far as the perceptual system is concerned, a woman is an object - a shape that has to be recognised by matching it with previous memories - as is your reflection, Danny deVito, your firstborn, a pussy cat and Nelson Mandela.

Maybe that study just tells us that the same bit of the brain always recognises shapes?
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I don't really care about the ridiculous study, the entire Storm trooper pic series, on the other hand, was hilarious. I literally "LOL'd out loud."
What do you find ridiculous in it? The question it's investigating? Or the methodology?
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