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Default Falling Forward in the Squat
by BendtheBar 03-12-2012, 09:44 PM

By Dave Tate

One of the most common mistakes when squatting is falling forward. You see it at the gym and at meets. It happens with novice lifters and advanced lifters.

The first thing that you have to do is recognize that you have a problem. You have to understand the problem and how the problem is affecting your squat. When you are dealing with sticking points, you have to remember they can be:

Technical
Mental
Physical

In many cases, there’s a little bit of all three.

For example, by having bad technique, you incorporate more use out of one muscle group or firing pattern than what is needed. This causes over-development in one area and under-development in others. By having weak abs, you may tend to fall into the squat too much as you sit back. If this happens every time you squat, you’ll begin to develop a mental process of falling into the squat when you sit back. Regardless of what strength training changes you make, this process will still be established. Finally you may have perfect technique until 90 percent of your max gets on the bar and then all hell breaks loose.

What I’m trying to say is that you need to go after this from more than one angle.

Mental

Get your head out of the toilet. If you’re constantly worrying about your sticking point and expecting it to be there, it always will. This happens to most lifters at one time or another. You get the heavy weight on your back and begin to sit down and say to yourself “Here I go again, I am about to drop forward.” How do I know this? Because many people will say, “Once I get to about 90 percent of my max, I begin to fall forward.” At this point, you already established this is going to happen. So, get this out of your head and find a way to have success with weights over 90 percent where this won’t happen. These things I am now recommending, have nothing to do with the physical aspect of training, but getting your head right. You can try visualization, self-talk and other modes of building your confidence. I always hear the term, “It’s all mental.” I find this statement to be nauseating and over-done, but there’s some truth to it. If you believe it, bad or good, it will usually happen. The problem is that you have to really believe it.

If you’re like any other lifter I know, getting into a peak state is not an issue. It’s keeping the state when problems happen under the bar. Please remember that a peak state doesn’t always mean that you are a mad man. You have to be focused.

Try heavy high box squats with weight above 90 percent of your max. Take the box up a few inches. Use gear if you need, but find a way to squat over 90 percent and not fall forward. You can also try high pin squats and reverse band squats. You’re going to have to find tricks to get your confidence up. For example, some people have problems benching 405 pounds. Usually because it’s four 45-pound plates per side. It can be intimidating, but if they use three 45-pound plates and make up the difference with 25′s and 10’s, this can be overcome.
Physical

For this portion, I’m going to ask you to think. Think about your training. Think about what you do and what you don’t do. If you think hard enough, you’ll see that you know exactly what to do.

You may not be able to hold the static arch long enough to get down. In this case, take a safety squat bar and bend over as you would a good morning. At the half-way point, hold the position and arch your back as hard as you can. Hold for 2-3 seconds, then relax and arch again. This should be done at the end of your workout.
Your abs aren’t strong enough to support your torso when your hips break parallel. If this is your weak point, add in heavy ab work – namely, heavy leg raises and side bends. I highly advise you to train your abs in this manner at least twice per week.
Your upper back is rounding. This has a flow effect because your upper back will round and then your lower back will follow. Once again, the safety squat bar movement above will help with this, as well as face pulls and anything else that tending to pull your upper back tight in a contracted position.
You lower back is just…weak! Add more weight to all of your accessory work.
Your elbows are not under the bar. If your elbows are pointed backwards (towards your butt), then you are sure to fall forward. Simply attempt to bring your elbows forward and under the bar. There’s no exercise that can help correct this; just make sure you have verbal cues.


Technical

This section is taken from the article “Squatting from Head to Toe.” Here are some guidelines to help make sure that your squat form is correct.

Phase I: The first thing to check for is proper body position at the beginning of the lift. Keep in mind you’ll have to keep the entire body tight. If any body part is held loose, it will become your weak link and you’ll break down.

Before setting up under the bar, you’ll need to grasp the barbell and duck under it with your feet about shoulder-width apart or slightly wider. While under the bar, you’ll have to start to really tighten up. Grasp the bar with your hands and start to squeeze it as if you were trying to bend the bar across your back. Next, pull your shoulder blades together as tight as possible while pulling your elbows forward. This is to keep the upper back locked in this position during the lift. If your elbows are flaring out, it’ll cause the barbell to travel forward at some point during the lift. The key to squatting big weights is to keep the barbell path traveling in the shortest line as possible. Any deviation from this line will cause a missed lift.

Now that your upper back is tight, you’ll need to tighten your midsection. First, expand your abdomen as much as possible. When you pull air into your body, it should be into the diaphragm, not the chest. Expand your belly and push it out against your belt. This will stabilize and support the lower back and not elongate the spine. If you’re having a hard time trying to figure this out, then wear your weight belt one notch loose and push into it with your belly so it becomes tight.

Pushing your belly out goes against what many believe because they feel training this way will cause injuries to the lower back. After 30 years of box squatting, Westside had 23 lifters squat over 800 pounds, six over 900 pounds and one over a grand. Not one of these lifters, or any of the others, had lower back problems.

All the power of the lower body is transferred through your core to the barbell. If this core isn’t tight, the power will “get lost” (so to speak), and never travel to the bar. While I don’t agree with the use of a belt for the majority of training, I do believe in the use of belts to teach a person how to use the abdomen while squatting. The belt is a training aid in competition, so you must learn how to use it to its fullest advantage.

Phase II: Now that you have your upper back and belly tight, you need to arch the bar out of the rack. When you take a barbell out of the rack, it should never hit the front supports. This shifts the weight to the toes and will cause you to lose your tightness (as well as set the bar in a position to use your quads instead of your hips and hamstrings.)

Arch the bar out, then push with your legs to get the bar off the racks. Keep the arch. Step back with one leg, then the other. You want to maintain your tightness and set your stance as wide as possible. I believe in using a wide stance when squatting because it shortens the distance the bar has to travel and places the stress more on the glutes, hips, hamstrings and back. I’ve figured out over time that the quads aren’t that important for squatting maximal weights. Instead, it’s the hips, back and hamstrings. If your quads were really doing all the work, then why wouldn’t you be able to squat as much as you could leg press? So, set up in a wide stance.

From this position, pull all the air back into your belly and try to make your back and abs tighter than before. You should also be forcing your knees out to the sides. You’ll know you’re doing this right if your hips feel tight. This places the stress on the hips and also increases the leverage at the bottom of the squat. The closer you can keep your knee, ankle, shoulder and hip joints in a straight line, the greater the mechanical advantage. This is why you can quarter squat much more than you can full squat.

You also want to be pushing out on the sides of your shoes – never push downward. Act as if you’re tying to spread the floor apart. This is to further activate the hips.

Your butt should also be sticking out with your back arched as hard as possible. Head position is vital to keeping the barbell in the proper path for squatting. You must drive your head into the bar. This doesn’t mean look up; you should actually be looking forward. You want to be looking forward for a couple of reasons. First, if you’re in a competition, you’ll need to see the head judge give you the squat signal. Second, you’ll want to see everyone’s reaction after you smoke your lift! I don’t know about you, but I want to see the look of awe in their eyes after I get the lift.

Besides, if you’re looking down you’ll more than likely start to fall forward about half way up and miss the lift. The act of pushing your head back into the neck should be the same action as if you were to lay on the floor and push your head against the ground. As for toe position, lighter guys should usually point their toes straight ahead. Heavier guys, often because of a lack of flexibility, may want to point their toes out slightly. Now, you’re ready to begin the squat.

Phase III: To start the squat, I want your hips to begin the motion, not the knees. When your knees bend first, the load is shifted downward and you need the load going backward. Remember, you want the bar to travel in a straight line. Keep pushing the hips back as you squat down. The key is to “sit back.” Most people sit down on a toilet with better form than they squat because they have to sit back. As you sit back, you want to feel tension in the hamstrings. Act like they’re springs you’re trying to compact before they rebound back. This will cause a great stretch reflex out of the bottom of the squat…and an explosive start is another key to squatting maximal weights.

Keep sitting back until you sit on the box. The box should be one inch lower than parallel for most people, although I sometimes recommend that less experienced lifters find a box that puts them at one inch above parallel. (Note: I can’t recommend a pre-manufactured box at this time because I simply haven’t found any good ones. All of our boxes at Westside are homemade. When selecting a box, most people need one between 12 and 14 inches high. Also, pick one that’s big enough to fit your butt. Note that some people use a flat bench for box squats. I’ve found that these are seldom set at the proper height, however, and may be too narrow for some.)

When you reach the box, you want to sit down and relax the hips flexors, while keeping every other muscle tight. You also don’t want to fall down on the box and try to bounce off of it. You need to sit back with the same speed you squat. Then, pause on the box for a split second and explode off of it. No bouncing! Your knees must still be pushed out and your abs, upper back and arms should remain tight while your back stays arched. When you’re on the box it’s important to have the shins perpendicular to the floor, or better yet, past perpendicular. This places all the tension on the squatting muscles.

Phase IV: After you pause on the box, you need to explode off by driving the head and upper back into the bar, then by driving with the hips. When you begin the squat (during the eccentric phase), the hips move first then the head. The opposite of that (the concentric phase) should involve the head moving first, then the glutes. It only makes sense to try to lift the bar first. If you don’t drive with the upper back first because then the bar will begin to move forward. If the bar is moving forward before you drive with the hips, you’ll miss the weight and fall forward.

Remember that falling forward in the squat is not a unique happening. A lot of lifters do it and it has been overcome. I gave you many ways to approach your problem and solve. Now, you have to do the work.
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BTB, I'm glad you posted this.

I just thought I'd share a story (not trying to corrupt your thread).

I was squatting around 240 during this time period and was really witnessing some benefits in the squat. I was hitting just at parallel and was experiencing serious quad, hamstring and glute development.

I had a friend (one of those guys that like to make competition out of everything) come up to the house and he was frustrated that his claim of leg strength didn't match mine. He could squat about 185lbs, but only quarter squats.

He decides to get the adrenaline up and attempt a 240lb squat. As he does his first quarter rep, he decides to attempt a 2nd rep and guess what? He does a front flip with the bar on his shoulders and puts a small hole in my floor.

This thread just reminded me of that and I thought I would mention it.
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