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Old 02-08-2011, 10:14 AM   #51
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Thanks for posting this, exactly what I've been looking for. Is the ab work supposed to be done first? I've always understood that I should be doing abs last so they don't get too tired for the squats, etc. Or does doing them first act as a kind of warm-up?
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Welcome to the forum. John did advocate ab work first.

I recently started doing squats last in my workout after heavy abs, and was surprised to find I am holding up rather well. Because they are more focused on resistance rather than volume (like endless sets of crunches), they aren't as physically taxing for me.

But, people are different and have different weaknesses. You may find that squats after heavy abs is too difficult, and may need to swap them around. I do not wish to step on John Christy's toes by saying this.

One thing I do believe is that if you start training heavy abs before squats, and continue practicing them in this way, your body will adapt in several weeks. So it might be tough for a few workouts, but over time it shouldn't be much of an issue.
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Bill Starr advocates abs first too. I always thought it would cause problems with my squats so i never really tried it.
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Steve, thanks for posting all this valuable information about John and his training philosophy. I will be asking my wife to purchase his book for me for Father's day as I understand from the website it will be only available as a e-book when the current supply is exhausted. I hope it is a hardcover but nevertheless from what I've seen in this thread it should be a great read.

Many people do not realize the gains that can be made from doing a fullbody twice a week as John advocated.
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Many people do not realize the gains that can be made from doing a fullbody twice a week as John advocated.
John's book is my favorite lifting book. I keep it by my reading chair and am always flipping through it. It is a testimony to hard work, simplicity, and something that helps me detox from the more is better mentality.
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Weight train 2 to 3 times per week

1. A no-brainer for real trainees that don't take steroids.

2. Allows for complete recovery, which means you get bigger and stronger from every workout.

3. Joints can recover - no injuries - consistent training - great results.

Train hard but make sure the 'hard training' is put towards progression; lifting more weight

1. Training hard pushes the body to adapt to a new level of development or performance.
2. If that 'new level' is more muscle or more strength then it must be pushed with more weight.

Eat enough to gain muscle

1. It takes a lot of effort to eat enough to gain, which is one main reason, most trainees' fail - they won't work at it.

2. Eat 1000 more calories per day than you eat now and you will gain muscle (as long as the training is stimulating).

3. IT TAKES A LOT OF EFFORT.

Do aerobic work to get in shape, which is good for your health but also promotes recovery from workouts

1. Promotes recovery from weight workouts.

2. Better recovery = bigger and stronger muscles.

3. This can make the difference between gaining 25 pounds on your bench this year or a measly 10 (or a big fat zero - which is what most gain).

Stretch to keep / get your joints healthy so that you don't miss workouts or have to eliminate productive exercises

1. Healthy joints = consistent workouts = bigger, stronger muscles.

2. Healthy joints = ability to perform more productive exercises = bigger, stronger muscles.

Get yourself fired-up to train with goals, pictures, entering contests, etc

1. Promotes putting out maximum effort allowing you to lift heavier weights, which produces bigger, stronger muscles.

I know it's hard to believe that such simple 'non-sexy' methods can produce stunning results. But they do. I've seen it, and helped make it happen in many cases. And as a matter of fact I've never seen a 'sexy' (flashy, secret, underground, new-wave, instant, etc) method produce anything except a fat wallet for the seller of such garbage.

Do all the basics outlined above - not just one or two of them - and people will line-up to buy your magic pill.
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I know it's hard to believe that such simple 'non-sexy' methods can produce stunning results. But they do. I've seen it, and helped make it happen in many cases. And as a matter of fact I've never seen a 'sexy' (flashy, secret, underground, new-wave, instant, etc) method produce anything except a fat wallet for the seller of such garbage.

I love all of it Steve. This type of thinking is my main thought process these days. With so little free time I need only what works, and throw out everything that I can do without. If a move isn't a multitasker or is purely for my ego, OUT!

The quote above really stands out for me.







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Exactly. Power to the people.

Cut the crap, keep the vital.

Forget OCD and micromanagement. Who has time. Let's train the big lifts, pull common sense back into eating, and save some free time for sex and movies and cooking and other things that matter too.

The 1% who compete know what they need to do. Time to bring lifting for recreational lifters back to where it belongs.

Hard work & common sense.

PCF ratios = blech.
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Exactly. Power to the people.

Cut the crap, keep the vital.

Forget OCD and micromanagement. Who has time. Let's train the big lifts, pull common sense back into eating, and save some free time for sex and movies and cooking and other things that matter too.

The 1% who compete know what they need to do. Time to bring lifting for recreational lifters back to where it belongs.

Hard work & common sense.

PCF ratios = blech.


Very few compete, but BB comp style programs are the bulk of what people are doing. That's the real insanity workout right there.
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