Originally Posted by MikeC
I think you hit on a major point. Lifting is a lot about who is cool and who isn't. Like most things, there isn't a lot of though put into it be the average trainee. It's not that lifters are looking to give bad advice. I think they just realize who the respected names are and don't want to swim against the tide.
I respect Bill Starr, but I don't believe a full body routine is necessary if key lifts are involved. A beginner certainly can squat 2-3 times a week, eat big, and make monster gains. No doubt about that! But because naturals have limited muscle potential, in the end hard work is more important than training routine. A Starr trainee might be faster off the line, but a Weiderite splitter will catch up and relatively quickly. As the Starr lifter experiences slower gains, the Weiderite is still gaining at a nice pace.
Sorry, I had to bail there awhile ago. Work just will not let me catch my breath anymore.
Mikey has hit on an important aspect of all this. Fullbody or Split, whichever you choose after about 5 years of training they cancel each other out as far as which is faster due to natural limits.
People are sheeple and rarely spend the time to research the actual science of whats happening. Instead the get their head full of Bro science, and follow the advice of people who really don't know what they are talking about. The Weider style split has become THE way to bodybuild, but it really is not optimal on a lot of levels for a lot of people.
There are valid reasons to utilize both systems of training. The important thing is to know why your using the system your using. As far as I'm concerned most people should stay with a fullbody or A/B routine. A split is useful when you have gotten close to your natural limit, or to give yourself a break. Yes you can build muscle with a split, but it may not optimal for you.
Have a plan, and understand why your doing what your doing. There is a huge amount of information in the Casey Butt thread, and in the John Christy thread about this subject.
I've learned a lot from BTB, and others on this site on this subject. There's plenty of info right here on MAB for people to digest.
Crud, gotta go again.