well rich, you have really convinced me and after reading some more about there stuff I think I am going to try the kre alkalyn pro in a couple of weeks. I am going to need to order protein soon so I will probably just get a bottle of that too.
I am just always a little weary of pill form preworkouts, but I will give it a try. It is also extremely cheap at M&S, 22 bucks for 45 full servings, that is cheap bud.
Thanks for all this info. greatly appreciated