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Old 11-16-2011, 04:44 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by Soldier View Post
You're right that your core is being worked when you do compound lifts, but a little bit of specialized core work is always a good thing. I'm a fan of lower rep, weighted core exercises, and I know that BTB loves his weighted situps.

It's good that you're ready to leave your ego at the door. We all started somewhere, and we got to where we are now slowly, by starting with weights we could handle and consistently progressing, always adding weight to the bar. In 6 months you'll look back and laugh at the weights you're using now and how easy those weights have become. That's one of the joys of slow and steady progression.

Don't worry about power cleans. Done improperly they can do more harm than good. You can get the benefits of cleans with other movements like high pulls, which is basically the first 2/3 of a power clean.

One thing I want to mention is that short intense sessions are GREAT. I never train for more than an hour, and BTB's sessions usually run just over an hour. In that hour we bust our asses. When I leave the gym I look and feel like I just sprinted a marathon, usually dripping with sweat. Sometimes I have to sit down for 10 minutes to rest before I can even drive home. If you go in the gym and kill it, then 4 sessions a week at around 1 hour each will be PLENTY to make you grow and progress.

If you can survive 3 hours in the gym then you're resting too long and lifting too light.
Yeah, I'm about to ask him about rest time. I really just want to see how my abs will look with only dieting down(not for a show but just for a cut next year.) Then I'll think about training them. But my core is cooked today. It's hard to flex it right now.

Originally Posted by BendtheBar View Post
We've all been there. After a year of successful training (long ago) I tried an Arnold variation which was 3 on, 1 off. It beat up my body real bad because I was pushing so hard, and I quickly found out it simply wasn't needed.

Yow, training everyday must've been stupid. My recovery ability wasn't so bad though.

Yes, Steve Shaw.

In my experience that's a good thing. Overworking the biceps is a common programming flaw.

That's great to me too. Honestly I'm going after 20's if my genetics allow it. I'll be happy if my arms get to 18. I'd like to get there as fast as possible, and I really don't care how I reach it(: All natural of course.

Prime years. You are just a hair heavier than I was when I started.

Awesome to hear.

As long as you can gain weight I am ok with this. What we need to add to this mix is hard training.

You will be glad to know I'll train hard. I take every set to complete failure because I'm wired that way now. But it seems everyone is saying 1-2 reps shy of failure is best.

A focus on form is excellent. Regarding the mind muscle connection, I am going to ask that you not worry about it for a while. I want to advise you to focus on only one thing, and one thing only during each set..."more reps." Do as many reps as possible, stopping each set when you feel like you may fail on the next rep, or with the big lifts if your form is going south.

All right. Does this go same for curls too?

No problem. Not essential.


True, but I will add that they assist the big lifts. I find that weighted situps help my squat eccentric strength, which helps with form and performance. I respect if you don't want to do them. I did no abs work for 20 years and still made good progress. I will say though at some point down the road you should consider them.]
I will consider them down the road per your advice.

Because of your experience and age I think a 4 day upper/lower might serve you well. This is a basic template, nothing magical. The magic is in:

1) Persistence.
2) Progression.

Adjust the days as needed.

Monday - Upper
Tuesday - Lower
Thursday - Upper
Friday - Lower

Bench Press - 3 x 20 goal reps
Barbell Rows/Dumbbell Rows - 3 x 20 goal reps
Arnold Dumbbell Press or Seated DB Press - 3 x 20 goal reps
Close Grip Bench Press - 3 x 20 goal reps

Squats - 3 x 25 goal reps
Still Leg Deadlift - 2 x 20 goal reps (or Glute Ham Raise - 3 x 8-10 reps)
Dumbbell Curl - 3 x 25 goal reps (or chin ups - palms towards face - 3 x Max)

Incline BP or Dumbbell Bench Press - 3 x 20 goal reps
Pull Ups - 3 x Max Reps
Seated or Standing Overhead Press Variation - 3 x 20 goal reps
Dips - 3 x Max Reps

Deadlift - 3 x 15 goal reps
Squats - 1 x 20
Barbell Curl - 3 x 25 goal reps (or chin ups - palms towards face - 3 x Max)

Goal reps are the total reps you are after for the 3 sets. For example, when you can perform 25 reps on squats with a given weight, add 5 pounds next week.

I also could recommend a 3 day per week fullbody if interested.

We could also add some work to this, but I would ease into things and run it as is for a while, say 4-6 months, just to get in the groove of progression of weight.
Understood on all of it. Just one question: what rest time is recommended?
Originally Posted by Soldier View Post
Just to clarify what BTB is saying, if he says 3x25 (goal reps), what he means is that you have 3 sets to get 25 reps where all 3 sets are added together. So that would mean that if you get 10 reps your first set, 9 reps your second, and 7 reps your third set you would have done 26 total reps and reached your goal, which means the next time you do that exercise you should add 5lb.

This is one of the best ways of keeping track of progression because it takes into account all the work you did for an exercise, instead of just the last set. It also forces you to pace yourself a little between your 3 working sets, instead of doing one set all out and killing yourself. Go just shy of failure on each set, rest about 2 minutes (or a little less), then go back at it.

If you're going just short of failure and resting less than 2:00, you'll be out of the gym in less than an hour and trust me, you'll work plenty hard.
Oh, I know. At 2:00 rest, it was VERY HARD to progress in weight week after week.
Originally Posted by BendtheBar View Post
Thanks for clarifying.

I would add that it limits downtime as well, saving you from changing weight every set. You get in, work the sets hard, and try to improve by at least one rep over last week.

It's not magic, but it does keep progression simple.
Yes, it does.
Originally Posted by BendtheBar View Post
Believe me, every time I recommend rep goals some lurker sets fire to my underwear because they believe I am advocating 25 rep sets.
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