Originally Posted by Soldier
I definitely agree that people need to experience things like cutting without supps first. I'd lost weight many times before I ever introduced something like an EC stack. Like all supps, they are a small part of the picture. Planning, execution, flexibility and consistency are all far more important than any supplement you can take, even the ones of questionable legality.
There is no such thing, as pop a pill and watch the wonderful fat loss show!
Even to obtain the questionable beneficial properties (pointing to fat loss) from stimulants, IMO, one has to have the basic fundelmentals in diet down (geared toward tissue loss), be consistent in this, and understand the varying elements in manipulating the macro nutrients/calories and exercise (and understand HOW this can be used a tool in their goal attempt), BEFORE considering an aide--that will only provide a small amount of benefit in comparison--if any.
I am just a hard nosed sort of guy. Comes from my years in the military and police career. All my hormones and functions are normal for my old-ass, I never had to resort to an aide, other then the basic mechanics in diet and manipulating certain aspects of the componants of diet (macros, calories, exercise), and still got very lean. I had my problem spots and trials and tribulations (especially) lower abdominal area--but tweaking carbohydrates/sodium properties and allowing the glucose stores to drop/deplete a bit, fixed this complication in time.
Never resorted to an OTC reference fat loss, and my metabolism is an antique! LOL.....