Originally Posted by onetiredkris
creatine isn't really a pre workout supp. there is no 20 minutes and your feeling ready to lift shit feeling, it needs to be taken consistantly and for pretty good periods of time.
but on the list of importance i would put creatine before an NO product.
caffine for preworkout. (pure caffine is cheap, coffee is cheaper and warms you up)
creatine ive used before: (360 caps@25 bucks lasts two months)
Axis Labs Creatine Ethyl Ester HCl - IllPumpYouUp.com
Where can you find pure caffeine at because I don't like coffee.