Originally Posted by BigFiveFive
I understand completely, and it's good for people to know their limits if they chose so, but those people will never be champions.
I have to disagree with you here again.
Sure Ricardo, Layne, Miller, etc. Have all found out their natural potential, and they laughed at it and kept training, and pushing limits as well. For some of them (according to the studies) they are "maxed out" in potential, ok... So why do they keep training/eating/prepping harder, and harder, more intense, on a new "level"? Because their champions and they don't put limits on themselves, nor will I, ever.
This part is the part I want to focus on.
The answer as to why people keep pushing themselves, is as Steve mentioned already. Most people are not at their max natural potential. The reason why, is not that far removed from a physics equation we all know.
What this equation says is, as you go faster, and faster, the energy required to continue acceleration of an object will become so great that no object can ever produce enough energy to exceed the speed of light.
A photon, is a single light particle. It has about the lowest mass that we know of. Obviously the lower the mass of an object the faster it can travel before it hits the wall of speed where it requires an infinite amount of energy to go any faster.
What does this have to do with weightlifting?
It has already been discussed that your rate of gain will as an average be about half of what you put on the previous year. So lets look at an example.
Let's say that as a natual lifter you can put on 30lbs of muscle.
let's say that you are able to put on 15lbs the first year in lean mass. Your halfway home, that wasn't too hard was it.
Year 2 you work just as hard, but you only put on 6 lbs if muscle.
Year 3 you continue to work just as hard but it only nets you 3lbs of muscle.
You have put on 24lbs of lean mass in three years. That is a lot of lean mass, and you still have 6lbs of pure lean mass you can carry. Those 6 lbs of lean mass will fill in and add a lot to your frame but they are not going to come easy. You can't coast to add them. You need to work even harder than you did for the gains you aquired the first three years.
Unfortunately the Human body often breaks down, and goes through highs and lows in hormornes. It will fight you to even hold on to the mass you have built, let alone add the rest of what it is capable of.
This is about the point that most naturals are at. They have most of their natural potential, but not all. They also give up gains they have worked for when they diet down to single digit BF levels. Naturals can't hold that hard fought lean mass when they diet down for contest. Naturals spend a lot of time regaining ground they once had. It is not as hard the on subsequent trips, but pushing ahead into new ground while possible, is very hard.
This is where the champions you speak of are at. They are the guys who keep trying to reach that elusive peak, no matter how hard. It does not matter that it is very hard to reach, they just keep trying.
It is called a natural limit for a reason.
Your natural level of testosterone is the energy you require to reach that limit. As you get closer, and closer to the wall, it slows down to a point where things seem to be standing still. It is not that different than adding 1 more rep or 1lb to the bar. Any progression is still progression.
(Yes, you could take drugs at this point and easily reach past that natual point, but thats not what we are tallking about.)
Those last 6 lbs will breakdown roughly, under ideal conditions for a natural.
It takes a true natural, many decades of lifting to achieve into the high 90's of Natural potential. There are a lot of other aspects that come into play as well. However that is a completely different level, and topic of conversation.
...And I don't do data bruh.
You consider yourself to have a good understanding of nutrition in how it applies to your undertaking of the sport. To say that you don't do data, is to say that your advice and knowledge of nutrition is based on what?
Are you just making things up?
Weightlifting is a science of a sport. The nutrition aspect even moreso.
You can't use the science of one aspect, and disregard the other. They go together just like heaven and Hell.